056 class FFL/corvette

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plawolf

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Wouldn't it make more sense to reduce workload by having more automation and allowing the crew to take turns for holidays? This would boost morale as much as anything and also enable the PLAN to have 'spare crews' for wartime use.

I still suspect they weren't able to reach the desired automation levels as yet, although no doubt they're working towards that target.

The USN spends vast sums of money and time re-training crews after long absences. That’s needlessly wasteful in the PLAN’s books.

The USN/Western approach vs the PLAN feels a little like the turtle and hare race.

The USN deploys their crews for high intensity, long period patrols, and then need months off to recover and weeks to months once they are back to re-train before they are ready for deployments again.

The PLAN tend to send their ships out for shorter patrols, with more crew and less intensity, so they don’t run the same burnout risk, and so do not need to release crews for long breaks after deployments.

Aden anti-piracy patrols are the only regular long duration deployment, and each PLAN ship and crew will only get to do that maybe once every few years to most.

That may change as Chinese interests expand overseas, but with their growing fleet size, they have plenty of scope to expand their operations and still have 3-6 month long patrols as once every few years events, that crews probably treat more like a welcome adventure as opposed to being routine in western navies.

At the core of the difference is about missions and available resources.

The USN has commitments all over the world inherited from the Cold War, that it must continue to meet with fewer ships/crews.

That means longer deployment times because those commitments are all over the world and it could take weeks for ships to just get to their deployment area.

Chinese interests are mostly close at home. China also have few commitments and huge numbers of available ships. So why needlessly stress out crews with long deployments and heavy workloads for no good reason?

Just look at all the embarrassing accidents the USN has had in recent years, all linked to overworked and demoralised crews on the brink of burnouts form too much time deployed and/or insufficient training and certification after long absences post deployment.
 

Tam

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I believe there is a correlation between displacement and seniority within the PLAN. Whereby new crews and officers start off on the smaller stuff like 022s, and more increasingly, 056s before getting promoted to bigger displacement ships like 054As, 052s and 055 etc after they have proven themselves.

The pace of the 056 construction and commissioning is probably going to stay much higher than the bigger ships because in a way, these are being used as a training fleet to get crews up to a point where they are ready to move onto something bigger, that is more complex and tend to sent out on longer deployments.

Think of it as both a recruitment and selection process, whereby the PLAN can fairly reliably decided who amongst the new recruits are suitable for the extra training and investment needed for the top of the line ships as they observe how they perform on the 056.

There is, of course also an operational need for the 056, especially in ASW. And they will be perfect for the SCS should tensions ever warrant their permanent forward deployment.

But we have to remember that the Chinese coast guard has been seeing a similar explosive growth spell that rivals if not exceeds that of the PLAN.

It is these ships that are often being used to feed the medium and smaller sized yards, who tend to not get noticed because they don’t build sexy sexy warships.

This huge expansion of the Chinese coast guard has, in many ways, taken over a lot of the traditional patrol responsibilities of the PLAN in brown and green waters.

And even in those traditional light frigate/corvette green and brown water zones, we are seeing 054s and 052s shadowing foreign ships and fleets, not 056s.

When that aspect is considered, the 056 expansion rate makes most sense from a training POV rather than operational prospective. Because there is neither the need, nor evidence that the 056 fleet are being used in heavy intensity routine green and brown water patrolling duties like the old Soviet bastin strategy. Not in peacetime in any case.


Responses to FONOP are matched based on ship type. If a destroyer or frigate performs the FONOP, it is chased out by another destroyer or frigate. If its a civilian vessel, the Chinese Coast Guard would do it.

Chinese Coast Guard has a very different function from the Navy, as it is also used for law enforcement and rescue operations. The China Coast Guard guards one of the most, if not the most populated and trafficked sea routes in the world.

As for crew seniority, I am likely to think that officers for Type 052Ds are going to be pulled off from 052Cs, which in turn are pulled off from older destroyers, and which in turn are pulled off from 054As, 054s and 053H3s, which in turn are pulled off from 056s and older smaller PLAN vessels. In turn, those from the 056s might be pulled off from 022s or start off fresh. Ships like the Type 051B, 051C, the 052s, the Sovs, and the 052Bs might be used as the training ground for those in the 052C/D. With the remaining Sovs might be going into refitting, their crew might be promoted to the 052Ds. With the 054As being busy of late, there might be a reluctance to promote crews to fill the new 052Ds, as you are going to need to train replacements for the 054As. The response to this is to build larger numbers of frigates, so you are regularly transferring, training, rotating, and retraining, so you can keep up presence and tempo while some frigates are on the port.

PLAN conducts some sort of exercise, the last time was around November in 2017 near the East China Seas, where a rigorous Red Flag exercise are performed among all vessels, but especially Type 056s and likely 022s, and crews get judged by their performance on that. Things like hitting targets at sea, intercepting aerial targets and so on.

Engineering crews for the 052C/D are a different case, they would need to spend some time on a vessel with gas turbines. The 052s and 052Bs would have to be recruited for that purpose. As more 052Ds and 055s comes in, the 052Cs may have to be diverted for training as their jobs are taken over by 052Ds.
 

Tam

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This picture has two stories, but I cannot find the Type 053 or Jiangwei thread to leave it there.

There appears to be a Type 056 being fitted next to the Type 053H type, which also appears to be in a refit. Discarded parts of a previous refit of a Type 053H are in the foreground.

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asif iqbal

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Best part of that armada is the Carrier

That acts as a umbrella for the whole group providing air cover

You can have the best DDG in the world but when a fast jet attacks with fast missiles the warships will take hits

Best defence is send your own fast jets with their own fast missiles
 

mys_721tx

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This picture has two stories, but I cannot find the Type 053 or Jiangwei thread to leave it there.

There appears to be a Type 056 being fitted next to the Type 053H type, which also appears to be in a refit. Discarded parts of a previous refit of a Type 053H are in the foreground.

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Is that array of tubes the lower half of a HQ-61 launcher? It probably was from a Type 053H2G.
 

Tam

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BNS F113 Shongram launched February.


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BNS F114 Prottasha, just recently launched.


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Export versions of the Type 056. Once again you can see the SR2410C radar on top of the mast, phase array, possibly AESA, that's an analog to the Sea Giraffe or SMART-S.
 
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