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It would be, but then again, that might just be a refrigerated unit for cooling the infrared seeker heads.

Wouldn't a dedicated radar be better off mounted higher, as opposed underneath the launcher and in such a recessed manner?
 

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Wouldn't a dedicated radar be better off mounted higher, as opposed underneath the launcher and in such a recessed manner?

It would be better if it does, but there is none, other than a navigation radar just behind the HQ-10 launcher. On the main mast, you see the Type 364 which is the main search radar of the ship, and three navigation radars, two of them each on the side of the mast and has a rear arc while one serves frontward.

There is a Type 344 or 345 or 347 fire control radar on the mast, but it has a front arc and serves the gun. There is also an EO on top of the bridge but that also serves the gun. If the threat target is coming at the sides of the ship, which is generally how an antiship missile will target the ship, I can assume the EO and the Type 344 will turn to the side, and both instruments can serve to provide targeting data for the HQ-10. But there is nothing there to cover the rear arc. Furthermore the Type 364 is obscured by that spine at the back of the mast when this radar turns backward. So the only radars with a clear arc to the rear are three of the four linear array navigation radars. These navigation radars might be more dual or multipurpose than one is led to believe, and will have to be integrated with the combat management system, and all three might be updating track data on their own and the CMS combines the three tracks into a single target track.


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If I look at here, you can see the small tower behind the HQ-10 with the rearward navigation radar. What's interesting is that to the side of the radar, are two branches each holding what appears to be radar warning receivers. I think its possible to triangulate the position of a threat radar, like say, the homing radar of an antiship missile, you, using the two RWRs. Joined with the data from the navigation radars, you can probably know what's incoming and that's isn't just a small jet flying low. The data can be used to queue the launchers, the HQ-10s are told to home in on the specific threat waveform, if they are going to be operated in home on emission mode.



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I'm sorry, but if I understand you correctly, that's a non-sequitur, as is the rest of the meandering post. Could you clarify in a concise manner?

There is no fire control radar specific or dedicated for the missiles.

They will have to rely on target tracks from navigation radars multipurposed for the task.
 

by78

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There is no fire control radar specific or dedicated for the missiles.

They will have to rely on target tracks from navigation radars multipurposed for the task.

Could you circle which sensor you meant by "Type-344 or 345 or 347"?

Why don't you think the mast-mounted "Type-344 or 345 or 347" can serve as the fire control radar for the missiles?
 
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Tam

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Why don't you think the mast-mounted "Type-344 or 345 or 347" can serve as the fire control radar for the missiles?

Because its on top of the bridge and faces forward, and it does not have a good back arc because of the spine mast. It can only FCR for the missiles if the target is coming port or starboard, literally aimed for the ship's side. You would have the radar turned sideways to the threat and the missiles turned to the same direction as well. But if the threats are coming from the rear hemisphere of the ship, this radar has no rear view arc for it.

Dish like radar like this, also code named "Rice Bowl".

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I think this is a better view, from the ship's front, taken on top of the bridge.

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by78

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Because its on top of the bridge and faces forward, and it does not have a good back arc because of the spine mast. It can only FCR for the missiles if the target is coming port or starboard, literally aimed for the ship's side. You would have the radar turned sideways to the threat and the missiles turned to the same direction as well. But if the threats are coming from the rear hemisphere of the ship, this radar has no rear view arc for it.

Dish like radar like this, also code named "Rice Bowl".

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I think this is a better view, from the ship's front, taken on top of the bridge.

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What about the H/LJQ-363 (or SR64?) atop the mast? It should be well suited to be the FCR for the missiles.


If I look at here, you can see the small tower behind the HQ-10 with the rearward navigation radar. What's interesting is that to the side of the radar, are two branches each holding what appears to be radar warning receivers. I think its possible to triangulate the position of a threat radar, like say, the homing radar of an antiship missile, you, using the two RWRs. Joined with the data from the navigation radars, you can probably know what's incoming and that's isn't just a small jet flying low. The data can be used to queue the launchers, the HQ-10s are told to home in on the specific threat waveform, if they are going to be operated in home on emission mode.View attachment 46780

I thought that was the helicopter control radar.
 

Tam

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What about the H/LJQ-363 (or SR64?) atop the mast? It should be well suited to be the FCR for the missiles.




I thought that was the helicopter control radar.

Supposedly so, but there is something on the back of the radar that blocks part of the rear view.

Also, something is cutting at the rear arc for the Type 344 and they happen to be jammers.

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This tower to the back of the Type 364 appears to have some electronic, communication, or EW function. The Type 364 can cover almost an entire arc except where this tower is blocking.


As for the fourth linear array, that spot is good for a rear view navigation radar. I don't see why you need a radar dedicated for the helicopter, which is too wasteful for a small ship with limited resources. It can be used to track the helicopter coming in yes, but that should be part of being a navigation, search and tracking radar, and only one of its list of uses.
 
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