056 class FFL/corvette

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ChinaGuy

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Mysterre said:
Where the hell did you get all this from? It's certainly something you can pull out of your ass, but definitely not something you can pull out of the picture just sayin. :)
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No, I gave a very realistic scenario. The crazed philipino government emboldened by their so called mutual defence treaty with the US may well be aggressive enough to instruct their captain to open fire on unarmed Chinese fishing boats. Of course, the Chinese will not hesitate to respond with their navy, knowing full well the US is just a paper tiger who would not have the will or the stomach for a fight with 1.5 billion Chinese. Observe what happened in vietnam. The north invaded the south. Did US step a single toe into the north's territory in response ? No. Why ? The fear of Chinese intervention, and the unshakable Chinese will that was clearly demonstrated in korea. So, the philipinos will be on their own if fists start to fly. The Chinese response will be a measured one as depicted in the picture - only the source of aggression will be de-fanged.
 
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Franklin

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lostsoul said:
Might as well keep those shipyards busy since the Global economic downturn is continuing and help reduce the massive steel inventories in China.
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Military keynisme will lead to a catastrophy far better to use the free market method of allowing unprofitable companies to go bankrupt.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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hmmwv said:
People differ because they haven't gone through all the available pictures to find clues, here are two that shows the two rooms are separate and they barely extend beyond the torpedo hatches.
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Interesting pictures, but there are a few issues with them especially the first one.

The 056 is built using modular construction techniques. One of the characteristics of modular construction is that individual modules are usually fabricated with thin, temporary walls sealing off the module, which are then cut away once the modules have been placed in their final positions just before it is welded to the ship.

Now if we look again at the picture, two things jump out.

Firstly, the three internal lengthways 'walls' do not see to correspond to the finished structure, as the furthest section seems to be disproportionately tiny in comparison to the other three even taking into account the angle at which the shot was taken from.

Secondly, the furthest two sections do not have any enclosing walls and appears to be completely open. That means that while it is possible that they have opted with a uneven internal configuration whereby half of the hanger is sealed off for other purposes while the other half is left clear, it is also possible that what we are seeing are just temporary walls that have not yet been cut away yet.
 
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plawolf

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Mysterre said:
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Well it seems quite clear that neither of us is going to convince the other, especially since all we are seeming to be doing is rehashing the same old arguments with a few refines.

We can keep this up, but there seems little point. Besides, this thread seems to be getting a bit more back on track and I think another long drawn out debate between us will just put off all the other posters.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this until more proof shows up.
 
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joshuatree

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Crossing the T was only viable when a ships armaments are configured in such a way as to allow the ship to deliver a powerful broadside. For example, 19th century ships-of-the-line and 20th century battleships. The idea was to maximize the number of guns that could be brought to bear on the enemy, while minimizing the number of guns that the enemy can bring to bear on you. Crossing the T is not advantageous when each ship only has a single frontal turret, as you only end up exposing more of your ship to the enemy.
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In that artist depiction, you don't know if there is another 056 in single line formation behind it, providing a second gun trained on #15. :p

Kidding aside, yes, I did say the tactic is obsolete for modern warfare.
 
Mysterre

Mysterre

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ChinaGuy said:
No, I gave a very realistic scenario. The crazed philipino government emboldened by their so called mutual defence treaty with the US may well be aggressive enough to instruct their captain to open fire on unarmed Chinese fishing boats. Of course, the Chinese will not hesitate to respond with their navy, knowing full well the US is just a paper tiger who would not have the will or the stomach for a fight with 1.5 billion Chinese. Observe what happened in vietnam. The north invaded the south. Did US step a single toe into the north's territory in response ? No. Why ? The fear of Chinese intervention, and the unshakable Chinese will that was clearly demonstrated in korea. So, the philipinos will be on their own if fists start to fly. The Chinese response will be a measured one as depicted in the picture - only the source of aggression will be de-fanged.
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No, you're speculating things that are not reasonable given the picture. There is nothing to suggest that the GdP fired any machine gun, there is nothing to suggest that any fishing boats are in the area, there is nothing to suggest pretty much ANYTHING that you put into that post of yours. You are injecting your own politics into a picture that has done nothing to deserve your wild fantasy. Please stop injecting your own politics into a picture that has done nothing to deserve your wild fantasy. What is clear from the picture is that the ships are at close range, and that the 056 fired on a ship that did not have its own gun trained on the 056. This suggests closing without firing, then firing without warning. In other words, a surprise attack against a ship that did not expect to be attacked. This much can be reasonably inferred from the picture. Anything else is on you only. It's kinda silly to argue about a picture someone drew depicting a fictional scenario, so I will not comment any further on it. But what's reasonable is reasonable, and what's silly is silly.
 
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hmmwv

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plawolf said:
Interesting pictures, but there are a few issues with them especially the first one.

The 056 is built using modular construction techniques. One of the characteristics of modular construction is that individual modules are usually fabricated with thin, temporary walls sealing off the module, which are then cut away once the modules have been placed in their final positions just before it is welded to the ship.

Now if we look again at the picture, two things jump out.

Firstly, the three internal lengthways 'walls' do not see to correspond to the finished structure, as the furthest section seems to be disproportionately tiny in comparison to the other three even taking into account the angle at which the shot was taken from.

Secondly, the furthest two sections do not have any enclosing walls and appears to be completely open. That means that while it is possible that they have opted with a uneven internal configuration whereby half of the hanger is sealed off for other purposes while the other half is left clear, it is also possible that what we are seeing are just temporary walls that have not yet been cut away yet.
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We know the internal structure in that section is asymmetric, there is that large exhaust port on the starboard side of the ship, near that "tiny" section you mentioned, so that's probably mechanical space. I don't quite get your second point, actually, it'd be nice if you can draw on the picture to better illustrate your point. I don't think HD is actually fully utilizing the modular construction technique on at least the first two 056s. The entire aft upper deck house is a single module as demonstrated by HP, HD is simply building it using construction blocks.
 
Mysterre

Mysterre

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hmmwv said:
We know the internal structure in that section is asymmetric, there is that large exhaust port on the starboard side of the ship, near that "tiny" section you mentioned, so that's probably mechanical space. I don't quite get your second point, actually, it'd be nice if you can draw on the picture to better illustrate your point. I don't think HD is actually fully utilizing the modular construction technique on at least the first two 056s. The entire aft upper deck house is a single module as demonstrated by HP, HD is simply building it using construction blocks.
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I wonder if it is an exhaust port, or an air intake. I do not see any air intake structures for the 056's engines like they have right in front of the exhaust stack on the 052B/C classes, though the curious hatch-like shuttered openings in the rear section facing forward may qualify. They actually look like the starboard-side shuttered openings. The metal plate covers on top of the air intakes on the 052B/C's that permit air to flow into the ship only from the sides actually looks much like that starboard plate that covers the earlier units of the 056. Regardless, the asymmetry of this ship is definitely an interesting feature.
 
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hmmwv

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Mysterre said:
I wonder if it is an exhaust port, or an air intake. I do not see any air intake structures for the 056's engines like they have right in front of the exhaust stack on the 052B/C classes, though the curious hatch-like shuttered openings in the rear section facing forward may qualify. They actually look like the starboard-side shuttered openings. The metal plate covers on top of the air intakes on the 052B/C's that permit air to flow into the ship only from the sides actually looks much like that starboard plate that covers the earlier units of the 056. Regardless, the asymmetry of this ship is definitely an interesting feature.
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That's certainly possible, there are air intakes all around the stack 10_12174_b4847dce2745de2.jpg, however on the port side (and only on the port side) there is a large intake that's covered by the same type of panel as the one we see on the starboard side. 1338525044_87252.jpg

If they are indeed intakes then the panel is not for IR suppression, my guess is that they are shielding the intake from large waves. Note all intakes have clearly visible active shutters, so I'd imagine when the weather gets really bad they can shut the intake facing forward and backward, leave the two side facing intakes to supply the engine with air.
 
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