055 Large Destroyer Thread II

another505

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Just want my little gambling city (which helped bring Liaoning CV back to China) to have a surface combatant ship named after it. Preferably 055 ofc, but I would be happy with a 052D
 

stannislas

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I probably was not very clear. I was talking about the namesake cities, not the ships, are not where the average sailors would want to relocated to after they complete their services. Neither would it be a good idea to ask these less developed cities for the additional jobs and pensions.
If you want to relocate then the named city doesn't have the responsibility to provide all of that, pension, to jobs, basic living, life/medical insurance and etc, in another place.
In China, you pension is donated by local government and central government, if you move to other place, the local government will stop pay their part, and other cities don't have the responsibility to pickup this part of the pension.

Symbolic or not, 政协副主席 is 副国级. That tells the ranking of the twos SARs.
lol, rank means nothing in politics, power is everything.

What are you talking about that HK and Macao are not in the Chinese city list?
They are not mainland cities, people need special pass to enter, they don't use RMB, central government doesn't directly control any civilian matter of the city, and most importantly they pay $0 tax to central government.
So in a way, yes, central government won't pay a lot of money to develop these 2 cities like they spend in Shanghai, Beijing or any other cities in the mainlan.
 

Dante80

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Launched in the summer of 2017. That should be enough time to be outfitted with GaN based TRMs.
That is not how things really work though in RL.
The 346B CDR was approved for production during the early 10's, at the absolute latest.
 

Iron Man

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Launched in the summer of 2017. That should be enough time to be outfitted with GaN based TRMs.
The design would have been locked in long before building even started. TBH even if the first 055 were built by 2017 instead of 2014 I still wouldn't assume the Chinese military would have been able to incorporate GaN technology by then.
 

Dante80

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You don't need a source for that, that is simply how things work in real life, as I said.

A CDR is simply approved before production starts. It is before the long lead items are even ordered for a project. If Nanchang started construction in 2014, it means that a critical design review was completed years before that. Even if it started later, the integrated mast was getting built in 2014 at the latest, as we know from the Wuhan pics.

Mind you, I don't have a comment about what tech the Type-346B uses. I'm simply talking about realistic project timelines.
 
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Iron Man

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When was the last time we got any such confirmation for an in service PLA radar? We look at the suppliers and we see they deliver a lot of GaN.
This is hardly any kind of reasonable confirmation or argument for the use of GaN in the 055.
 

antiterror13

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This is hardly any kind of reasonable confirmation or argument for the use of GaN in the 055.

I don't think it is a normal practice that China would confirm anything .. there is no confirmation either that 055 radar is AESA radar from China and it doesn't mean it is not AESA

I believe 055 has GaN radar, it doesn't make sense at all that 346B is GaAs, the same as used in 346 in 2004 (well, no confirmation either from China). GaN is widely used in China

Either one, I am not trying to convince you that 346 is GaN ... up to you really, you will always able to find any excuses that it is not (e.g no confirmation from official China, etc) ...... I wouldn't mind if you think it is not GaN
 
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Iron Man

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I don't think it is a normal practice that China would confirm anything .. there is no confirmation either that 055 radar is AESA radar from China and it doesn't mean it is not AESA
This is hardly a reason for you to reasonably assume that the 346B is GaN-based.
I believe 055 has GaN radar, it doesn't make sense at all that 346B is GaAs, the same as used in 346 in 2004 (well, no confirmation either from China).
The radar used in the 346A is clearly different compared with the 346, if only for the fact that one is air-cooled and the other is liquid-cooled, suggesting far higher cooling needs. This could easily be a function of size rather than a difference in MMICs. Same for the 346B, which is larger than the 346A, and simultaneously not automatically a GaN just because it is used on the 055, a ship and a radar system that came out only 2 years after the Type 052D/346A. IMO I think it is far more likely given this short period of time between the introduction of the 052D and the 055 is that the 346B is just a scaled-up version of the 346A.
GaN is widely used in China
Putting GaN in a phone is NOT the same thing as developing an entire radar system around thousands of GaN MMICs.
Either one, I am not trying to convince you that 346 is GaN ... up to you really, you will always able to find any excuses that it is not (e.g no confirmation from official China, etc) ...... I wouldn't mind if you think it is not GaN
Sounds like you somehow think the default assumption is that the 346B is GaN and that I have to find "excuses" that it is not. I wouldn't mind if you personally think that it is GaN, but you certainly don't get to assume you somehow have the default assumption here.
 
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