Can't agree more, bro. This forum is for professional and serious thinkers and not a child's cartoon class.
055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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General to such a degree it doesn't have a lot of use.
(1)Modern heavyweight torpedoes can go dozens of miles, effectively combining pretty high cruising and very high attack speeds.
(2)Unless you heard the launch, you have no ways to be sure the torpedo came from the direction of sub. And by the time you'll hear the torpedo itself - sub commander will do everything to get away from that axis.
(3)Approximate locations do little against nuke - you often know it anyways. The problem is knowing where it exactly is, continuously - especially when they can significantly exceed 20 knots silent.
(4)While Virginia isn't exactly a speed monster - caught and located nuclear sub isn't anywhere dead yet(or conventional ones would've eaten them alive).
As a rule of thumb (ww2, but still) subs gotta be found before they make the attack. After 1980s(digital seekers, modern wire guidance, very high energy fuels and modern batteries) - more than ever probably.
Hi @Patchwork_Chimera,
Thanks again for your info. This is the first time I have heard df17 and pcl191 having anti shipping capabilities, but it does make a lot of sense for them to do that if their seeker technology is good enough. I think it's only a matter of time before a naval df17 enters into service with uvls. A 055 that can carry large number of ballistic missiles, hgvs and hypersonic cruise missiles against land and naval targets would be one tough cookie to deal with. Would i be wrong to say that it has as much bandwidth as a couple of df26 brigades in terms of fire power?
If df17 is capable of anti ship, is there any reason for keeping df21d around when the former should be much harder to intercept?
Have you encountered any case of them secretly deploying something like lrasm on uvls? That would seem to be another thing they would want to acquire.
Thanks again for your info. This is the first time I have heard df17 and pcl191 having anti shipping capabilities, but it does make a lot of sense for them to do that if their seeker technology is good enough. I think it's only a matter of time before a naval df17 enters into service with uvls. A 055 that can carry large number of ballistic missiles, hgvs and hypersonic cruise missiles against land and naval targets would be one tough cookie to deal with. Would i be wrong to say that it has as much bandwidth as a couple of df26 brigades in terms of fire power?
If df17 is capable of anti ship, is there any reason for keeping df21d around when the former should be much harder to intercept?
Have you encountered any case of them secretly deploying something like lrasm on uvls? That would seem to be another thing they would want to acquire.
Does the 055s 2 hangers not give it a huge advantage in ASW compared to other destroyers and frigates? I am talking about triangulation.
Doesn’t this simple fact alone make it the best ASW ship in the fleet?
Paradoxically, does this mean that 055 should be the outer screen in a Carrier Group and have 052s be the inner?
Also, what is the deal with SURTASS ships? Shouldn’t they also be part of a carrier group?
Doesn’t this simple fact alone make it the best ASW ship in the fleet?
Paradoxically, does this mean that 055 should be the outer screen in a Carrier Group and have 052s be the inner?
Also, what is the deal with SURTASS ships? Shouldn’t they also be part of a carrier group?
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DF-21d being phase out, only 1/2 BGD vs 5/6 DF-26 BGD.
I believe same thing happening for DF-10 vs DF-100
escobar
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Last remaining DF-11 unit already replaced by DF-17
@Patchwork_Chimera how many 055s do you expect to be built? When do you expect the next batch, and how big do you think it will be?
Thanks!
Thanks!
For anti-shipping roles, wouldn’t a 30-knot+ arsenal ship with large number of anti-ship missiles (cruise and ballistic missiles) and CEC makes more sense?
055 class are equipped with very expensive sensors that are geared toward anti-air and anti-space. Those expensive sensors aren’t used for ship searching. UAV, KJ-600 and space assets are the one that hunt down the locations of enemy surface ships. It would be a waste to put so many anti-surface missiles on 055.
055 class are equipped with very expensive sensors that are geared toward anti-air and anti-space. Those expensive sensors aren’t used for ship searching. UAV, KJ-600 and space assets are the one that hunt down the locations of enemy surface ships. It would be a waste to put so many anti-surface missiles on 055.
The DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle on the DF-17 should have a terminal speed significantly slower than a DF-26 ASBM re-entry vehicle.
So if the DF-26 can have an active seeker for anti-shipping, then logically you could use the same seeker on a DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle
CEC is useful when you need to actively coordinate defensive SAMs against target(s) when the sensor platforms and launch platforms are different.
For offensive anti-ship missiles, you don't need that level of data-linking (and control from the Type-055) as the missiles do the final targeting themselves.
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