055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[gongolongo]

On why I think it's a ballistic missile and not an ABM:

Usually anti air missiles are hot launched due to reaction times. Larger ballistic missiles especially heavier ones are usually cold launched because the exhaust to get it up in the air is too tremendous.

I thought being cold launched ruled out ballistic missiles since I was thinking of SRBM like Iskander but realized ABM would likely be hot launched and that there are plenty of larger BMs that cold launch.

 

[Tam]

On why I think it's a ballistic missile and not an ABM:

Usually anti air missiles are hot launched due to reaction times. Larger ballistic missiles especially heavier ones are usually cold launched because the exhaust to get it up in the air is too tremendous.

I thought being cold launched ruled out ballistic missiles since I was thinking of SRBM like Iskander but realized ABM would likely be hot launched and that there are plenty of larger BMs that cold launch.

Not true. Every SAM on land is cold launched, such as the S300, S400, HQ-9, HQ-16 and the HQ-17. Certainly on water the HHQ-9 and the RIF-M is.

There are also others. For example, British naval SAMs, like the Sea Wolf and CAMM. The VLS Shtil used on the Admiral Grigorovich class are cold launched, and now combat proven to boot. The 9M96 missiles on the Admiral Gorshkov and Project 20380/3/5 class of corvettes are cold launched. The Klinoks launched by the Udaloys to the Admiral Kuznetsov are cold launched. The fact that many of these missiles are for close range air defense should not be understated.

 

[by78]

Two 055s being replenished at sea at the same time, a very rare sight:

One more.

 

[by78]

Nice screen captures of 102.

 

[asif iqbal]

Type 055 in the true sense of the word is a blue water heavy cruiser with a VLS count of 112 missiles

it also has a dual hanger however the number of times we have seen 2 x Medium sized helicopter on these?

they should also add a rotary wing UAV seems like the rear opening has a another section for a UAV?

the minute you are spotted by submarine your helicopter needs to be on a 24/7 ASW mission, 2 choppers are needed for this

UAV and submersibles also

this Type 055 can also be used for insertion of species forces

 

[by78]

Silhouette.

 

[asif iqbal]

I see the hypersonic ballistic anti ship missile has no top side thrusters like it’s Russian counter parts to change its angle after launch

This could suggest that Chinese units have much better guidance and maneuver capability and more like western counter parts

 

[Richard Santos]

I see the hypersonic ballistic anti ship missile has no top side thrusters like it’s Russian counter parts to change its angle after launch

This could suggest that Chinese units have much better guidance and maneuver capability and more like western counter parts

No, it just means it doesn’t need to make maneuvers as radical as those needed by its alleged Russian counterparts early in flight, which supports the proposition that is it largely ballistic during early part of its flight and only need to make relatively modest course adjustments immediately after launch to send it on its trajectory. The modest course adjustments might be affected by vanes in the booster exhaust or by the small aerodynamic surfaces visible near the middle.

 

[Rachmaninov]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517873683649290252

A video showing 102, 103 and 104 via louischeung’s Twitter

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Putting all these three types onto ships - HGV, HCM, and ASBM, is really going to extend that A2AD field. Previously these weapons were only land based.

PLAN is and has to be anti air and sub focused but it still needs to be a part of that sea based A2AD and only yj-12 and yj-18 even in huge numbers jist doesn't cut it due to still relatively limited range compared to USN carrier ops ranges. If PLAN can counter the USN carrier wing well enough to at least slow down attacks and defend major assets, being able to launch offensive weapons against carriers is going to be a huge boost to the land and air based effort.

I think the order of weapons would be aiming to let the more conventional weapons coincide or just preceded the high tier weapons - ASBM, anti ship HGV, and anti ship HCM. This still requires some contesting the air and defending against USN fighters launching weapons. In order to make those two tiered attacks coincide even more effectively, PLAN actually has to venture closer to erode cbg's own A2AD to at least the range of yj-18... Which is pretty far already.

the purpose is to produce a dilemma for opponents:

1. you can't send subs against a surface fleet with tons of helicopters and ASW frigates/corvettes, you need air supremacy.
2. you can't get air supremacy too easily against a surface fleet with dozens of 100 VLS ships. you have to close in to do so.
3. you can't close in against IRBM ranged anti surface munitions.