055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Maikeru]

I spoke to an ex US Navy officer during a grad student event in the UK many years ago. He used to be stationed on the USS Antietam (CG-54) and had many encounters with PLA Navy. He argued that while the PLA Navy's 052Ds were "fancy boats, the Chinese sailors and officers simply have no experience operating Aegis type destroyers, nor do they have systematic understanding of the ships' roles in modern naval combat." In other words, he strongly believed that even if you give the best ships to the PLAN, they would not know how to operate them in conjunction with other service branches to effectively win a naval engagement.

That may well have been true then. We simply don't know how well PLAN have integrated such technology now but they have had enough units so quipped for long enough by now to have learned how to use it properly.

 

[SanWenYu]

I spoke to an ex US Navy officer during a grad student event in the UK many years ago. He used to be stationed on the USS Antietam (CG-54) and had many encounters with PLA Navy. He argued that while the PLA Navy's 052Ds were "fancy boats, the Chinese sailors and officers simply have no experience operating Aegis type destroyers, nor do they have systematic understanding of the ships' roles in modern naval combat." In other words, he strongly believed that even if you give the best ships to the PLAN, they would not know how to operate them in conjunction with other service branches to effectively win a naval engagement.

Sounds the typical bullshit that disparages PLA.

I highly doubt that he, or even any USN personnel, has the specific details of 052D, in particular the AESA radars.

 

[Hyper]

The kindest thing that can be said about him is that he should stick to submarines.

In his defence, he himself says that he is not an expert. Just a guy on YouTube who has a few fans and sells some merch. He himself declares that he is not an expert. He has given the clarification.

 

[kriss]

In his defence, he himself says that he is not an expert. Just a guy on YouTube who has a few fans and sells some merch. He himself declares that he is not an expert. He has given the clarification.

He also said anyone who came out questioning his source is part of chinese disinformation campaign and should be deprived of freedom of speech.

 

[5unrise]

In his defence, he himself says that he is not an expert. Just a guy on YouTube who has a few fans and sells some merch. He himself declares that he is not an expert. He has given the clarification.

He sure sounds like a expert given his strong opinions - expertise in the Type 055, radars, Chinese propaganda, so on and so forth

 

[Michaelsinodef]

He sure sounds like a expert given his strong opinions - expertise in the Type 055, radars, Chinese propaganda, so on and so forth

To the average viewer sure, but look through the last couple of pages and you can find people tearing his video apart lol.

 

[latenlazy]

I spoke to an ex US Navy officer during a grad student event in the UK many years ago. He used to be stationed on the USS Antietam (CG-54) and had many encounters with PLA Navy. He argued that while the PLA Navy's 052Ds were "fancy boats, the Chinese sailors and officers simply have no experience operating Aegis type destroyers, nor do they have systematic understanding of the ships' roles in modern naval combat." In other words, he strongly believed that even if you give the best ships to the PLAN, they would not know how to operate them in conjunction with other service branches to effectively win a naval engagement.

What specifically about his encounters with the PLAN informed those specific conclusions?

 

[Tam]

I see that everyone is angry, but as a Chinese, I am not angry at all to hear this American buddy talk about 055 Because this is American arrogance: I also heard a sailor serving on the USS Sullivan Brothers boast that his Burke was the best destroyer in the world, and the American bureaucracy would tell his men to use the best destroyer in the world. equipment, and the American soldier was told that the Sherman tank was completely unbeatable against the German tank, so the American soldier drove the Sherman tank happily to Europe, and met the German armored zoo, and then there was Sherman lighter reputation It was like that 70 years ago and it is still the same now

During the Second World War there were specific US propaganda downplaying the German MG42 machine gun which was spreading fear with its reputation of mowing down Allied soldiers like harvesting wheat with a scythe. We now know how good this iconic and legendary machine gun this is. The question is whether the propaganda led soldiers bravely but foolishly charging towards the machine gun nests and getting mowed down rather than taking a more tactical approach in dealing with them.

 

[ougoah]

Sounds the typical bullshit that disparages PLA.

I highly doubt that he, or even any USN personnel, has the specific details of 052D, in particular the AESA radars.

You are confused. Between two posts and lines of conversation - a YouTube video commenting on type 055 and another post talking about some US naval officer commenting on PLAN in general.

The US naval officer said the 052D is a "fancy boat". Probably thinks highly if the equipment but thinks poorly of experience and operational competence.

Anyway point is you're confused and conflated two things.

 

[Tam]

That article described the status and situation of Chinese MIC back in the '90s, which was in a deep slump and faced severe funding shortage. There were very few programs/projects going on then, with 052C, J-10 were few that got relatively large funding. In fact, if I remember correctly, the AESA project for 052C had significantly changed the financial condition of the 14 Institute. Back then, it was a survival issue for these defense industry units.

Compared to today's funding situation, it's day and night. There are fierce competitions between peer institutes, but it's more about development than survival today.

On a separate tangent, this brings to mind if the Type 055's X band AESA radar on the integrated mast might be sharing the same modules for the J-10C or (and?) J-20 radar. This can achieve huge economies of scale. I feel -still needing precise measurement- that those X-band radars are at least twice the size or surface area of the J-20s radar, with each face possibly around 3600 elements (me guessing).