055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[LCR34]

Have we considered the possibility that he's actually working for the 战忽局? He made a video about how the US doesn't actually recognize Taiwan as a country, to the displeasure of his viewers, at least in the comments.

Who's to know he isn't purposely trying to hype down PLA capabilities. The extra mistakes like 1130 being a copy of Russian CIWS is just icing on the cake.

If he has classified information on the radar on the type 055 that isn't publicly available that suggests the radar isn't actually AESA, that means he should soon be arrested for leaking US intelligence.

General public misinformation is nothing. You need to fool the pentagon.

 

[type055]

The material for the Type 346 radar comes from a guy who once worked on the project and has since moved to Canada long ago. What he wrote was after he immigrated and also documented the institute rivalries, and even things the other rival institutes would do to get on top by throwing obstacles at your work. These were the things that happened back in the early to late '90s so we don't exactly know what is the work atmosphere much later. If its propaganda, you won't be exposing the dirt and rivalries within your defense industry complex.

For example:

按理说，4单元T/R组件研制成功，舰载相控阵雷达的研制经费就应该下拨了。但事实并非如此。我们接到通知，舰载相控阵S波段雷达方案要被再次评审，并要与航天部二院23所的C波段雷达方案进行再次比较。我当时觉得很奇怪，已经定下来的事，怎么还要再审？后来才被告知， 当我们潜心于T/R组件，天线小面阵等关键技术突破时，23所整理了有关S波段雷达的一串问题，经航天部这条线，捅到总理李鹏那里（李鹏是亲航天部的）。于是，14所被通知在5月底接受“10院士”评审团的再次评审。

It stands to reason that if the 4-unit T/R component is successfully developed, the development funds for the shipborne phased array radar should be allocated. but it is not the truth. We have been notified that the shipborne phased array S-band radar scheme will be reviewed again and compared with the C-band radar scheme of the 23rd Institute of the Second Academy of the Ministry of Space. At the time, I thought it was very strange. Why should I retrial something that has already been decided? It was only later that I was told that when we were concentrating on breakthroughs in key technologies such as T/R components and small area antenna arrays, the 23rd Institute sorted out a series of questions about S-band radar, and went through the line of the Ministry of Aerospace to get to Premier Li Peng ( Li Peng is pro-Space Department). As a result, 14 institutes were notified to accept the re-evaluation of the "10 Academicians" jury at the end of May.

===

His description of a 4 unit T/R component easily fits the description of a QTRM or Quad Transmit Receive Module, which is common with AESA radars. Not something the average Joe can make.

View attachment 85297

So is knowing that Institute 23 has a C-band radar scheme. Institute 23 is the institute responsible for the HQ-9 system and made the HT-233 radar that serves the HQ-9. Guess what, this radar works on the C-band, similar to the MPQ-53 on the Patriot.

View attachment 85298

Institute 23 is competing with Institute 14 for the naval radar and is proposing a C-band radar arrangement. However, the C-band isn't capable of reaching the ranges the PLAN wants, versus what Institute 14 is proposing with its S-band radar arrangement. No average joe knows who these institutes are, but if you like to know more, Institute 14 is NRIET which is based, as the N says, in Nanjing. NRIET is responsible for the radars on the J-10, J-11, J-20 and so on, hence why these radars are called Type 1473, Type 1475, the "14" obviously points to Institute 14.

The thing to consider about this link is that the writer might have a chip in his shoulder from his workings in the Chinese military industrial complex. And of course, losing techs like him to immigrate to other countries is a loss for the Chinese defense establishment.

About this article: I have a little more news for you The 14 institutes are not short of money now, all the houses and roads have been rebuilt, and now it is a garden-style scientific research unit The Nanjing University of Science and Technology mentioned in the article is my university. It is a university sanctioned by the United States because it develops firearms, artillery, radar, missiles and other military equipment. There are too many units and institutions for R&D and production of military equipment in the city of Nanjing, too many to count.

 

[AndrewS]

Thanks. I think it's clear many people here know way more than me, so I prefer discretion. But I feel that Sub Brief video needs to be called out!

He also seems to have forgotten that Chinese VLS cells are a lot bigger than the American Mk41 VLS cells.

At 0.85x0.85x9m, the full size Chinese VLS has a 78% larger volume than the largest Mk41 configuration.

So 112 full size VLS on the Type-055 is equivalent to 199 full size Mk41 cells. Note the Ticos have 128 cells and the Burkes have 96 cells

So you would fully expect the Type-055 to be a lot bigger.

As for propulsion, the Type-055 gas turbine arrangement has 40% more power but only has to drive around 35% more displacement, when compared to the latest Burkes.

So the Type-055 doesn't look underpowered or too big, despite what is said in the video

 

[Jason_]

And he calls the Type 055 “Type fifty five” instead of “Type zero five five.”

 

[Overbom]

Garbage analysis.

Proof:

 

[P5678]

Garbage analysis.

Proof:
View attachment 85316

Why spend so much time and so many pages on this guy and his video? He is who he is, move on guys.

 

[SAC]

The Type 055 is a very capable vessel, with room for growth. A true military analyst NEVER out-of-hand dismisses an "enemy" capability! Keep an open mind, research, interrogate "other" views, don't succumb to propagander! Look for examples of someone pushing a line!!!

 

[KampfAlwin]

Garbage analysis.

Proof:
View attachment 85316

Hehe... well he is technically 'right'. China doesn't have a 'ASEA' but has 'AESA'

 

[weig2000]

About this article: I have a little more news for you The 14 institutes are not short of money now, all the houses and roads have been rebuilt, and now it is a garden-style scientific research unit The Nanjing University of Science and Technology mentioned in the article is my university. It is a university sanctioned by the United States because it develops firearms, artillery, radar, missiles and other military equipment. There are too many units and institutions for R&D and production of military equipment in the city of Nanjing, too many to count.

That article described the status and situation of Chinese MIC back in the '90s, which was in a deep slump and faced severe funding shortage. There were very few programs/projects going on then, with 052C, J-10 were few that got relatively large funding. In fact, if I remember correctly, the AESA project for 052C had significantly changed the financial condition of the 14 Institute. Back then, it was a survival issue for these defense industry units.

Compared to today's funding situation, it's day and night. There are fierce competitions between peer institutes, but it's more about development than survival today.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

I see that everyone is angry, but as a Chinese, I am not angry at all to hear this American buddy talk about 055 Because this is American arrogance: I also heard a sailor serving on the USS Sullivan Brothers boast that his Burke was the best destroyer in the world, and the American bureaucracy would tell his men to use the best destroyer in the world. equipment, and the American soldier was told that the Sherman tank was completely unbeatable against the German tank, so the American soldier drove the Sherman tank happily to Europe, and met the German armored zoo, and then there was Sherman lighter reputation It was like that 70 years ago and it is still the same now

I spoke to an ex US Navy officer during a grad student event in the UK many years ago. He used to be stationed on the USS Antietam (CG-54) and had many encounters with PLA Navy. He argued that while the PLA Navy's 052Ds were "fancy boats, the Chinese sailors and officers simply have no experience operating Aegis type destroyers, nor do they have systematic understanding of the ships' roles in modern naval combat." In other words, he strongly believed that even if you give the best ships to the PLAN, they would not know how to operate them in conjunction with other service branches to effectively win a naval engagement.