055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Gloire_bb]

A bit confused to what you are saying here, but navies are allowed to transit through any open waterway as long as they do not take military action.

I am referencing to the start of ww2 in SEA.
All colonial fleets(Netherlands, Royal navy, Australia and the US Asiatic squadron: ABDA) had the same full rights right before the start of the hostilities, but Japan wasn't especially concerned with them. With the start of the hostilities, all these forces(hastily reinforced by two British capital ships) failed to have any impact, and were destroyed in series of naval clashes.
This has ended any allied surface naval activity within region untill well into 1944.

My message is, China isn't anywhere up to such a "cleaning out" operation, right now.
This is what chinese naval buildup can change. Or may not.

 

[Biscuits]

I am referencing to the start of ww2 in SEA.
All colonial fleets(Netherlands, Royal navy, Australia and the US Asiatic squadron: ABDA) had the same full rights right before the start of the hostilities, but Japan wasn't especially concerned with them. With the start of the hostilities, all these forces(hastily reinforced by two British capital ships) failed to have any impact, and were destroyed in series of naval clashes.
This has ended any allied surface naval activity within region untill well into 1944.

My message is, China isn't anywhere up to such a "cleaning out" operation, right now.
This is what chinese naval buildup can change. Or may not.

Japan "cleaned out" those ships because it was looking to invade those countries' territories. China is not looking for that. Blitzing the 7th fleet, Japan, SK and SEA isn't out of question, but the real question is "what then?". It's not like there's an interest to invade those countries is it? So it just got a lot of enemies for no reason.

Again most of the navies in Asia like Phillipines, Thai, SK etc. belong to China's trade partners which they really have zero reason to touch.

Unnecessarily aggressive to attempt cleaning out other navies in a large area for no reason at all. The only thing China needs to do is to render them unable to do damage, just like USN isn't scared of Russian ships transiting their coasts because if an actual shooting war starts, they won't be causing any real danger. Same logic for why the FONOPs are allowed.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Japan "cleaned out" those ships because it was looking to invade those countries' territories. China is not looking for that. Blitzing the 7th fleet, Japan, SK and SEA isn't out of question, but the real question is "what then?". It's not like there's an interest to invade those countries is it? So it just got a lot of enemies for no reason.

For now it's out of question, because carrier fleet is insufficient for this task. But it is debatable, i may be to conservative in my views.

What is more important is prospective"
It's about ability: when you're in position go do it, it's an altogether another scene.
Japan wasn't looking to invade these countries for many decades either. But declared aims and/or necessities change faster than capabilities. Just a couple of years, and everything changed.

 

[gelgoog]

Japan "cleaned out" those ships because it was looking to invade those countries' territories. China is not looking for that. Blitzing the 7th fleet, Japan, SK and SEA isn't out of question, but the real question is "what then?". It's not like there's an interest to invade those countries is it? So it just got a lot of enemies for no reason.

Again most of the navies in Asia like Phillipines, Thai, SK etc. belong to China's trade partners which they really have zero reason to touch.

Unnecessarily aggressive to attempt cleaning out other navies in a large area for no reason at all. The only thing China needs to do is to render them unable to do damage, just like USN isn't scared of Russian ships transiting their coasts because if an actual shooting war starts, they won't be causing any real danger. Same logic for why the FONOPs are allowed.

Yeah it isn't a main concern. Japan had reasons to invade because back then the region was a major oil and rubber producer.
Back then Japan was under sanctions so it could not easily purchase those products on the market.

Today, the production of oil in the region is insignificant and the rubber used for strategic applications is synthetic.
There is no reason to invade.

One could make the argument about possible oil deposits in the South China Sea but those would require years to develop. Also the oil rigs would be quite vulnerable to attacks.

 

[Tam]

Posted by LKJ86 at the PDF.


The way the bar array on top of the Type 346B is installed about the same time as the Type 346B's main array, strongly points that both these arrays are connected, if not, they belong together as a set. These bars also exist on the 052D's version but not as thick.

 

[Blitzo]

Posted by LKJ86 at the PDF.


The way the bar array on top of the Type 346B is installed about the same time as the Type 346B's main array, strongly points that both these arrays are connected, if not, they belong together as a set. These bars also exist on the 052D's version but not as thick.


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The resolution's a bit poor to confirm that the arrays are actually installed, however even if they have been I wouldn't assume that they are somehow related merely because they were installed at a similar period to each other. For all we know they just happen to be fitting out systems that are closer to each other first, in which case it has to do with the location of the respective arrays than any related role.

 

[taxiya]

Posted by LKJ86 at the PDF.


The way the bar array on top of the Type 346B is installed about the same time as the Type 346B's main array, strongly points that both these arrays are connected, if not, they belong together as a set. These bars also exist on the 052D's version but not as thick.


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I read that the bars on 052C and early 052D are calibration device for the radar, not array. It is removed in later 052D due to improvement to the radar.

 

[jobjed]

I read that the bars on 052C and early 052D are calibration device for the radar, not array. It is removed in later 052D due to improvement to the radar.

He's not talking about the windscreen wipers. He's talking about the big blocks above the bridge.

 

[davidau]

...more scalfoldings.... extra hands to keep up with the impending Navy Day celebration at Qingdao......
...she's so beautiful & sleeeeek!
...it's a quantum leap from yellow waters to green waters to the deep blue seas....
would be awesome if, in future, armed with the mighty rail gun [electro-magnetic gun]

 

[Tam]

That looks like one of the Dalian Type 055s.