055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Blitzo]

And this has also been around for a while.

I don't recall him mentioning it in a past post, but maybe I had missed it.

 

[Tam]

The 6 billion RMB figure for 055 is not new, it's been around for a while form pop3.


As for the "6000 ton" ship -- I imagine he's referring to a successor for 052D, as he's referred to 052D as a ship in that category before. From what I recall he also describes the tonnages of ships in standard displacement (or something) rather than full displacement, meaning the 6000 ton ship (like 052D) will probably be more like 7000+ tons.
So really what's more interesting is that he believes there will be a successor to 052D.

Seems a bit light for a 052D successor, the 052D should be over 7,000 tons already. Even old Type 051B is 6100 tons before refit. 6000 tons sounds like a new frigate to me. Maybe a new class to replace both 054A and 052D?

 

[Iron Man]

Seems a bit light for a 052D successor, the 052D should be over 7,000 tons already. Even old Type 051B is 6100 tons before refit. 6000 tons sounds like a new frigate to me. Maybe a new class to replace both 054A and 052D?

Nope. 054B is already known to exist. This means this is a "052E" class, and future PLAN surface combatant production will consist of 054B, 052E, and 055/A, a 3-tier surface force just like many of us have been saying all along.

 

[SinoSoldier]

It can be to measure with a laser or so how much the ship sinks into the water with what is added.

But isn't that what draft markings are for?

 

[dawn_strike]

Comparing the salary (multiplier of 2.35) and purchasing parity (multiplier of 1.95) differences, 055 would then cost some 1,94 billion dollars if built in the US, but using same political climate as in China, without extra markups by the manufacturer. We've no real context when it comes to structure of the costs, whether they include this or that, so no actual comparison can be made either way.

If we take all those claims for granted, I find it more interesting that another class of ships, displacing 6000 tons, is planned. Considering 054B is alleged to have some 5000 t. Those two seem way too close to each other to be worth the effort of designing two different ships.

So either there is actually going to be just one class of ship, and perhaps POP3 is refering to new 054B, calling it a destroyer for some reason, and it will displace 6000 tons...
Or there will be two different ships but one of them is going to be quite a bit cheaper, demanding less crew, and probably be less capable, probably concentrating on a single mission, like ASW.

They have a task orientation, I guess. So I would agree with the two different ships scenario.
PLAN seems to have decided that its warships should include:

1000t class corvettes- 056(A)s and successors, for coastal defense and patrolling within territorial waters and exclusive economic zones

4000t class frigates- 054As and successors, for antisubmarine and medium/short range point air defense tasks in an ocean combat fleet.

6000t class destroyers- 052C/D and successors, for area air defense in an ocean combat fleet.

10000t class large destroyers or cruisers- 055 and successors, the 'flag ship's, for area air defense, fleet command and the main anti surface(ship or ground) firepower delivery, the backbone of a carrier group.

 

[A.Man]

They are out:

 

[Deleted member 13312]

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I am not aware any nations has achieved the feat of launching 2x 10,000 large destroyers at the same time

I don't believe that China is pursuing the record .. it is just a convenience that top brass only need to attend one for 2 big ships ... in a way for cost saving as well

ll if we move the goalposts to be a little wider, then the US comes within the discussion as they launched 2 Ticos within days of each other. True they were not launched simultaneously, but the same goes with the 2 055s when we were anticipating that they are going to launch in mid June, not early July

 

[asif iqbal]

Whats the most accurate tonnage for the Type 055? also dimensions?

Anyone done a comparison table with the big from Flight III, JMSDF and South Korea?

Modern, large and a total beast of a machine second only to Zumwalt?

 

[Totoro]

GE measurements give 178 meters by 21 m, give or take a meter. That should indicate max tonnage of some 12,000 if hull form and draft/size ratio is similar to Slava or KDX-III. I guess operationally tonnage might be a bit lower and it won't ever reach 13,000 t for an operational mission of this 055 variant.

Slava should then be slightly larger in tonnage. KDXIII is lower in tonnage. Zumwalt is comfortably bigger. And Kirov still dwarfs them all. But all that means very little nowadays. When it comes to tech level of its systems and design, 055 is right near the top, excluding limited-run half-demonstrator cutting edge concepts like Zumwalt.

 

[Blitzo]

GE measurements give 178 meters by 21 m, give or take a meter. That should indicate max tonnage of some 12,000 if hull form and draft/size ratio is similar to Slava or KDX-III. I guess operationally tonnage might be a bit lower and it won't ever reach 13,000 t for an operational mission of this 055 variant.

Slava should then be slightly larger in tonnage. KDXIII is lower in tonnage. Zumwalt is comfortably bigger. And Kirov still dwarfs them all. But all that means very little nowadays. When it comes to tech level of its systems and design, 055 is right near the top, excluding limited-run half-demonstrator cutting edge concepts like Zumwalt.

I think the more integrated topside superstructure (greater topside volume) as well as the lower freeboard (and thus the closer to waterline beam) will push it closer to 13,000 tons than 12,000, but who's counting.