055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[kurutoga]

LOL I gave you five more minutes:
now "r" is 90% of the maximum Yesterday at 10:11 PM
reconstructs "45 cm" from inside of

almost fully:
0.9*0.58*0.85 is about 0.44

I am sorry you probably did not understand what I tried to say. Here I will just repeat the entire assumption and opinion in a different way.

You can't model the missile as a circle because it is a round tube with 4 fins. It is inherently square.

Your model does not have nearly the same amount of clearance for the fins, compared to a regular square with 45cm side, where the fins were placed on the diagonal line (which is about 64cm long in such a square)

Now compare that to a 45cm diameter circle, the square has additional 10cm (each way) clearance for the fins. Is that necessary? I do not know. But I assumed there were reasons they were designed as squares. Because without this restriction the entire area can be packed further in a beehive pattern. The designer of a billion dollar ship should be smarter than chatters on a public forum.

 

[Iron Man]

I am sorry you probably did not understand what I tried to say. Here I will just repeat the entire assumption and opinion in a different way.

You can't model the missile as a circle because it is a round tube with 4 fins. It is inherently square.

Your model does not have nearly the same amount of clearance for the fins, compared to a regular square with 45cm side, where the fins were placed on the diagonal line (which is about 64cm long in such a square)

Now compare that to a 45cm diameter circle, the square has additional 10cm (each way) clearance for the fins. Is that necessary? I do not know. But I assumed there were reasons they were designed as squares. Because without this restriction the entire area can be packed further in a beehive pattern. The designer of a billion dollar ship should be smarter than chatters on a public forum.

Yes, the designers of missiles, VL systems, and billion dollar ships are probably smarter than "chatters on a public forum". OTOH, the problem in this instance lies with you. You just clearly did not look closely enough at the graphic. The fins are folded (did you know fins can be folded?):

Mind blown?

Also, what does this have to do with the fact that you are making unsubstantiated claims about the radar of the 055 based on assumptions about the 052D?

 

[kurutoga]

Yes, the designers of missiles, VL systems, and billion dollar ships are probably smarter than "chatters on a public forum". OTOH, the problem in this instance lies with you. You just clearly did not look closely enough at the graphic. The fins are folded (did you know fins can be folded?):
Mind blown?

Also, what does this have to do with the fact that you are making unsubstantiated claims about the radar of the 055 based on assumptions about the 052D?

Mind not blown, this is just 6th grade geometry. Please do not repeat that.

Your mistake is your insistence on using a circle to model the cross section of the missile and ignore they were squares inherently. The clearance advantage of a square silo could very well be design requirements. Those extra clearance of fins could be necessary. My statement was made with considerable conditions, it is not a lie because I was not advertising them as facts, just my speculations and the problems of using circles in this context.

 

[Jura The idiot]

... The fins are folded (did you know fins can be folded?):
View attachment 44040
...

LOL I was adding the folded fins for
kurutoga
to the chart from Today at 8:11 AM when your post popped up ... OK I'll finish LOL stay tuned

 

[Iron Man]

Mind not blown, this is just 6th grade geometry. Please do not repeat that again.

Your mistake is your insistence on using a circle to model the cross section of the missile and ignore they were squares inherently. The clearance advantage of a square silo could very well be design requirements. Those extra clearance could be necessary. My statement was made with considerable conditions, it is not a lie because I was not advertising them as facts, just my speculations and the problems in using circles in this context.

At this point your "statement" is completely lost in whatever mathematical/geometrical incoherency that exists in your mind, which is preventing you from understanding what every other last person on this forum already understands. The fact that you point out this is 6th grade geometry makes things even worse for you.

 

[kurutoga]

At this point your "statement" is completely lost in whatever mathematical/geometrical incoherency that exists in your mind, which is preventing you from understanding what every other last person on this forum already understands. The fact that you point out this is 6th grade geometry makes things even worse for you.

You sound angry? So far I have only wrote about the opinion, not on "you" or other accounts. So if you can't keep a civilized conversation, how do you go on these defense forums? just call everybody names?

The post you have made basically repeated the other guy with some personal insults added. If you two can speak in one voice only we can save the unnecessary energy. I have yet to see a reasonable answer to my post.

 

[kurutoga]

LOL I was adding the folded fins for
kurutoga
to the chart from Today at 8:11 AM when your post popped up ... OK I'll finish LOL stay tuned

it does not really matter if you finish it or not. There is nothing necessary to finish. The defect was in your decision to mode the cross section as a circle, and reduce the clearance of the fins. I will just repeat myself one more time, the cross section of a missile is inherently square in shape, because of the fins. They should be modeled as squares. The inside of the silo unit is just a larger square with clearance in between the two squares.

The square space with 85cm side is too small to hold more than one squares with 45cm side. The best you can do is quad 42.5cm side squares, or 16 squares of 21cm side.

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL I was adding the folded fins for
kurutoga
to the chart from Today at 8:11 AM when your post popped up ... OK I'll finish LOL stay tuned

"r" now 0.81*0.58 which is about 0.47, so for 0.85 side assumed in:

View attachment 44040

the diameter of a missile would actually be about 40 (forty) cm

 

[Jura The idiot]

Then you don't know me very well. It's actually irritating when people are being loosey goosey with the facts.

stay on watch then, I go to bed now LOL

 

[Iron Man]

You sound angry? So far I have only wrote about the opinion, not on "you" or other accounts. So if you can't keep a civilized conversation, how do you go on these defense forums? just call everybody names?

The post you have made basically repeated the other guy with some personal insults added. If you two can speak in one voice only we can save the unnecessary energy. I have yet to see a reasonable answer to my post.

Oh, did I just call you a name? Then go ahead and tell me which one I called you. Go ahead, I'll wait.

You don't have a reasonable post, and my answers to you have involved both logic and math which in my estimation are ultimately reasonable. And a graphic which despite being 6th grade geometry you still don't seem to understand and is still insufficient to untangle whatever mental knot is in your brain.

One last time: missiles do NOT have to be modeled as squares if their fins fold. The missile in the graphic that I linked is NOT a square shape. It is a football shape (American football) and is perfectly suited to maximize the loading capacity of a VL cell AND simultaneously the maximum diameter of a missile body, in this case a VL cell of dimensions 85cm x 85cm and a missile diameter of 45cm.