055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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My apologies; looking back at the previous posts, you were not on the offensive and this descriptor was hasty and unwarranted. I need more brain-to-hands filtering.
Thanks, I've been waiting for that graphic.
With the final assembly of the basic hull form in place, we can start guessing at superstructure and VLS layouts based on the Wuhan mockup:
For future information purposes, the length of this CG is 482 pixels (maroon), and the length of the hangar is 49 pixels (red), making the ratio of ship:hangar at 9.84:1. Once we get the length of the ship from GE (or official sources), the interior length of the hangars will be deducible.
The orange area of the dual hangars seem unnecessarily lengthy as part of the hangars themselves, though it is obviously connected to the rest of the hangars. Perhaps it is an extra workspace, or they plan to fit a non-folding helo in there, or perhaps a pair of Z-18s, or extra space for UAVs.
It looks like the RHIB garages are unlikely to be housed with the helos given there is no space on the sides of the hangar superstructure to accommodate them at that location.
The forward VLS section looks like it's only large enough to accommodate a 2x4 section of VLS modules, meaning the aft VLS section would have to be turned 90 degrees sideways to accommodate a similar 2x4 block of VLS modules.
SinoSoldier
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Yeah no problem.
I wouldn't rely on the meticulous details and proportions too intimately; whoever made these CGs probably did so based on a rough eyeballing of the hull and has no real access to the refined blueprints of the incomplete vessel.
Yeah, at this point I think using the CGIs to model the expected topside structures in a relatively precise way is jumping the gun a little bit -- though the effort is definitely appreciated and interesting to see!
I think the best thing we could get right now is for someone to hire out a satellite and take a picture of JNCX to see if the hull really is that complete as the CGI depicts, and also to estimate the length of the completed hull as well.
The length will be the big determinant of the ship's displacement, which in turn will provide foundation for a variety of other potential extrapolations. Considering we've had a preliminary estimate of the ship's beam from GE images, the overall length is a good next stage to proceed to.
SinoSoldier
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Yes, I do applaud Iron Man's for his work; I think his representation would be pretty close to the ship's final configuration. As for the dimensions of the thing; couldn't we simply extrapolate the numbers from the land-based mockup? I highly doubt the vessel would diverge from the land model to any appreciable extent.
The land based mock up would definitely be a guide to help compare the satellite pictures of the shipyard's actual 055 hull. But having clear satellite pictures of the real thing with proper dimensions is still superior to extrapolation of the mock up. Less potential confounding variables for pictures of the real thing.
SinoSoldier
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Awaiting for the superstructure:
What program are those images? google sketchup ?
I am still not clear on the rationale behind the 055 design. I know fan boys think larger is prouder, and being smaller than then Kongos or Zumwalts is somehow an affront, but I don't see what 055 offers that a somewhat modified 052D can't do for less given the primary strategic needs of China for the next 20 years or so.
Hendrik_2000
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Some people are prone to label Chinese advances as Fan Boy fancy.
But Chinese navy doesn't make decision base on fancy
There is definitely need for dedicated anti Submarine ship which is lacking right now.And future class for more advance sensor and armament like rail gun or even laser.I guess Skywatcher put it best in his blog
Type 055's helicopter twin hangar attached later, has at least four portals for current and potential future sensors and weapons like towed array sonar, variable depth sonar, towed torpedo decoys and active torpedo defenses. This indicates the Type 055 will have a formidable organic anti-submarine capability, perhaps with historic Chinese vulnerabilities to enemy submarines designed in mind.
The bow modules (highlighted in red) and the stern (last two modules) have already been laid down; the other modules are still under assembly.
Referencing both the first Type 055 under construction, and the landlocked "ground warship" electronics test rig at Wuhan, the Type 055 will have four large AESA radars for 360 degree situational awareness, and the associated command and control facilities to manage its large arsenal of up to 128 vertical launch system (VLS) cells, artillery and electronic warfare systems against enemy threats, as well as multi-domain joint operations with other Chinese assets. By enclosing various sensors and communications antennas in an integrated mast, the design also improves stealth.
Errymath
The Type 055 destroyer will be China's most capable warship, with up to 128 vertical launch cells for missiles, and four very powerful radars. (This CGI accurately represents the integrated mast and its electronic support measure antenna, though there should be an anti-stealth radar in the place of the satellite communications nodes on top of the dual hangars.)
The size of the Type 055 brings added current and potential capabilities just from its scale. The Type 055's large displacement allows it to berth multiple helicopters or even, in the future, such technologies as multiple drones or unmanned surface and underwater vehicles. The Type 055's large size also might comes in handy for carrying supplies and consumables during global deployments. Though not in the design now, the size also offers the potential for future improvements of integrated electrical propulsion and, down the line, next generation weapons like lasers and railguns if those technologies mature.
But Chinese navy doesn't make decision base on fancy
There is definitely need for dedicated anti Submarine ship which is lacking right now.And future class for more advance sensor and armament like rail gun or even laser.I guess Skywatcher put it best in his blog
Type 055's helicopter twin hangar attached later, has at least four portals for current and potential future sensors and weapons like towed array sonar, variable depth sonar, towed torpedo decoys and active torpedo defenses. This indicates the Type 055 will have a formidable organic anti-submarine capability, perhaps with historic Chinese vulnerabilities to enemy submarines designed in mind.
The bow modules (highlighted in red) and the stern (last two modules) have already been laid down; the other modules are still under assembly.
Referencing both the first Type 055 under construction, and the landlocked "ground warship" electronics test rig at Wuhan, the Type 055 will have four large AESA radars for 360 degree situational awareness, and the associated command and control facilities to manage its large arsenal of up to 128 vertical launch system (VLS) cells, artillery and electronic warfare systems against enemy threats, as well as multi-domain joint operations with other Chinese assets. By enclosing various sensors and communications antennas in an integrated mast, the design also improves stealth.
Errymath
The Type 055 destroyer will be China's most capable warship, with up to 128 vertical launch cells for missiles, and four very powerful radars. (This CGI accurately represents the integrated mast and its electronic support measure antenna, though there should be an anti-stealth radar in the place of the satellite communications nodes on top of the dual hangars.)
The size of the Type 055 brings added current and potential capabilities just from its scale. The Type 055's large displacement allows it to berth multiple helicopters or even, in the future, such technologies as multiple drones or unmanned surface and underwater vehicles. The Type 055's large size also might comes in handy for carrying supplies and consumables during global deployments. Though not in the design now, the size also offers the potential for future improvements of integrated electrical propulsion and, down the line, next generation weapons like lasers and railguns if those technologies mature.
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