A question of an civil: how effective is a big machinegun against enemy missile that threat ships compared to a missile defense sistem?
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Victor, you need to educate yourself a little bit.
By reading here for some time, you will find the answers. or, researching them on the internet can help a lot too..
As to your question, I will attempt to help.
There are anti-missile defense systems that are essentially very heavy, multi-barreled machine guns (actually more often Gatling guns) which are used for close in missile defense.
They have sophisticated radar and guidance to steer the stream of bullets into the path of the oncoming missile.
This is common knowledge. Simply google "Close in Weapon Systesm" or "CIWS" and read up on it. Then talk to people via PM, etc. to further educate yourself.
The US, the British, Russia, China, France and several other countries build such systems.
Generally on larger vessels, there will be a layered defense system against missiles and aircraft that will consist of longer ranged missiles, medium ranged missiles, short ranged missiles, and then Close in Weapons like these guns. In addition, most of them will also have passive and active electronic defenses to try and decoy, fool, or even damage the missile's electronics. All of these defenses may reside on a large cruiser or destroyer, or they may be spread out on several vessels that are escorting a high value vessel like a carrier or large Amphibious assault ship.
Those vessels are generally fairly well armed themselves for the short range to close in defenses as well.
Perhaps I will start a couple of threads in the Members Club Room, or the World Military Forum about very basic military topics where members can ask these types of questions without them cluttering up the more detailed threads.
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SinoSoldier
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There's no need for any automatic weapon for missile defense.
A 6-shot S&W Model 29 in .44 Magnum would do perfectly against even the toughest anti-ship missiles. Of course, the skill of the shooter might potentially be a bit of a problem.
plawolf
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No it wouldn't. Recall that HMS Sheffield was sunk by a missile that didn't even detonate.
Well thanks. I heard about CIWS but i didnt knew what the acronim mean. If you start such a topic im sure will be well finded. After all this forum is open for not knowers too. I sugest to first make a list of acronims as large you can. Because even some soldiers dont know all acronims.
I do not know but my opinion is....you arent right. Automatic gun can calculate fast angle of interception. Humans make mistakes computer dont. Also how a person can be so accurate when some missiles are supersonic? Maibe a semi automatic would help and when i say semi automatic i mean a person move the gatling but when push a button spread ammo in circles at equal distance. That means few electrif motors that doesnt cost so much.
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No the range no. Because same gatling is used in automatic and manual control. Just the control matter. A.......by the way in manual control you lack a CMS that have logical aquisition of target.Range might also be an issue.
Same principle of a gatling that spread ammo "in semi automatic way" can be applied to anything that need defense against missiles. Push a button start spread ammo and the gatling deschibe circles in air whit the ammo like electrons. A small radar could get target and in this way you can shoot to "aproximate locations of missile" and for sure hit it. Is like instead intercept a missile whit a arrow ,intercept whit a wall to be sure is hit.
Victor, you are very new here on SD and you need to listen and consider before you make statements negating what other posters here say.
Yes, the range matters A LOT.
An incoming missile has a lot of momentum, even if you hit it and it explodes, when it is moving at Mach 2+ or even just under Mach 1, the explosion and the debris of the missile continue to come at you at high speed.
So, you want your "gun" to intercept it far enough out so that all of that falls into the sea before it hits your ship.
An exploding mass of metal, fuel, and gas, hitting you at hundreds of miles an hour, can cause very major damage, death and injury...it can even sink the ship depending on how big the missile is, where the debris hits, etc.
So, range matters a heck of a lot...even if you do hit the incoming missile.
Most CIWS guns are 20mm or 30mm weapons. They have a very high rate of fire (thousands of rounds per minute), they have a high muzzle velocity and an effective range of 2.5 to 3.5 kilometers for this very reason.
As I say, you need to listen to these people. Many of them have been on SD for years and they know exactly what they are talking about. Do not come here and think that you are going to correct them...particularly when you admit in your introduction that you do not have much military experience or knowledge.
The comment from Plawolf that you responded to was actually in response to a light hearted comment another poster made about your initial post. He joked that maybe you could simply use a heavy caliber hand gun. Plawolf responded that the short range of the hand gun would make a difference for the reasons I just explained to you...even if the individual firing the gun were super human and could intercept the missile (which, by the way would of course be impossible).
When you argue with what is so ridiculously obvious, you reveal your lack of knowledge and experience in these matters.
So...listen more. Do more research. Ask some questions and do not be so quick to say someone else is wrong who has been here for years and years. Particularly before you negate what that very seasoned and experienced poster has to say.
There's an old saying in English that goes like this:
"Better to remain silent and have some think you foolish, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
So, please take good advise and do not be so quick to argue or negate what others here say.
Thanks.
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