055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Jeff Head]

You see how the aft VLS section of the 052D has a length of roughly two FL-3000 launchers? Same length could be said of the aft VLS section of the 055 Model in Wuhan. The aft section of 052D has 32VLS. This is why I am making a guess that if there are 64VLS in the front section of 055, the 055 should have around 96VLS like the Arleigh Burke and Atago. Again I could be wrong.

I know you have a lot say regarding the statement above. I am ready to listen, but for the things you disagree with, please don't be too aggressive

Some have postulated that the entire lower lighter colored section you see on the Type 055 mockup might be a deck for the mockup itself...for training and the like.

If that is true, then you can see that the opening between the forward deck house and the after deck house/hanger, would be much larger, with much more room then needed for a full 64 cells.

In the following diagram...you are looking at what I will call Type 055 option "A". but what if it also included Option "B"?

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.At this point we simply do not know.

 

[Blitzo]

Note also that the entire "level" starting from the white paint on the forward section of the mock up diverges from the line we would expect if it was actually part of the real ship.

And some GE estimates have suggested that even if the "bump" is part of the real ship there may still be room for 64 aft, although that will place some restrictions on what can be placed on the aft mast

 

[SpicySichuan]

Note also that the entire "level" starting from the white paint on the forward section of the mock up diverges from the line we would expect if it was actually part of the real ship.

And some GE estimates have suggested that even if the "bump" is part of the real ship there may still be room for 64 aft, although that will place some restrictions on what can be placed on the aft mast

I saw this comparison before, but not sure if the aft section of 055 is that big in reality. I think Jeff's measurement is more realistic. The "B" section might be for sensors, like on 052D.

 

[no_name]

B section could be for slant launch boxes.
Also currently it doesn't look like they will have anything major like L-band radar on the aft mast. It looks more like a stepped stand arleigh-burke style than a mast.

 

[Blitzo]

I saw this comparison before, but not sure if the aft section of 055 is that big in reality. I think Jeff's measurement is more realistic. The "B" section might be for sensors, like on 052D.

They have a rear mast for carrying sensors, and at this stage there are really no indications that the B section is actually meant to mount sensors on the mock up. And as we've said there is evidence and logic that makes the idea of the B section not being on the real ship hold weight.

As for the comparison, the diagram has lengthened the helipad mock up but not the "A" section, so it is quite plausible for it to carry 64 VLS, but will compromise the kind of sensors that can be mounted on the aft mast. The thing is to realise there is actually quite a bit of buffer space around 052D's VLS meaning the length of deck for its aft VLS that we see is actually longer than the actual minimum length needed for the VLS.

 

[Blitzo]

B section could be for slant launch boxes.
Also currently it doesn't look like they will have anything major like L-band radar on the aft mast. It looks more like a stepped stand arleigh-burke style than a mast.

I doubt the B section is for slant launchers, given there is no need to have a raised section for slant launchers.
And burke's stepped mast is for terminal illuminations, I doubt 055 will have those. I suspect the mock up's aft mast is just incomplete and/or they might not have the rear radar on the mock up

 

[SpicySichuan]

And as we've said there is evidence and logic that makes the idea of the B section not being on the real ship hold weight.

Sorry I couldn't find any previous posts talking in detail about this. Do you think you can clarify this a bit?

 

[Blitzo]

You, know what, I'm going to predict that the 055 mock up will not feature a large, rotating, SMART-L style radar on the aft mast.
The father aft mast right now is stepped, small, and it doesn't look like it will feature any big rotating array that we are expecting on the real thing. And this latest photo confirms that the stepped part of the aft must is white.

With my previous hypothesis that all white painted parts of the mock up are non representative of what will be present on the real ship, I think this is a very neat explanation for why the rear mast still looks like the way it does this many months on, and also is further support for the idea that the white parts of the mock up are non representative.

 

[Blitzo]

Sorry I couldn't find any previous posts talking in detail about this. Do you think you can clarify this a bit?

Basically, it is white and the rest of the parts of the mock up are also white and those other parts are speculated to be very non representative of what the actual ship will be like therefore it is suspected that the aft block B may only be there to hold testing equipment or possibly for some structural reason on the mock up only. (E.g.: from recent photos we see two large telemetry antennae on block B, and it could possibly be that block B exists to provide more favourable positioning of those antennae and to house their equipment in a convenient enclosed space which might not otherwise be there if they had a fully accurate representation of 055)

Also, logically it doesn't make sense to just have this big piece jutting out on the real ship and no one has come up with any particular convincing reason as of yet, so it is a train of thought that the B block (along with many of the rest of the white parts of the mock up) won't be on the real thing.

 

[SpicySichuan]

Basically, it is white and the rest of the parts of the mock up are also white and those other parts are speculated to be very non representative of what the actual ship will be like therefore it is suspected that the aft block B may only be there to hold testing equipment or possibly for some structural reason on the mock up only. (E.g.: from recent photos we see two large telemetry antennae on block B, and it could possibly be that block B exists to provide more favourable positioning of those antennae and to house their equipment in a convenient enclosed space which might not otherwise be there if they had a fully accurate representation of 055)

Also, logically it doesn't make sense to just have this big piece jutting out on the real ship and no one has come up with any particular convincing reason as of yet, so it is a train of thought that the B block (along with many of the rest of the white parts of the mock up) won't be on the real thing.

I am not a specialist in construction, so I guess I don't know much. However, if you want to have a realistic 1:1 model, why would you add so many rooms and offices that will not be part of the ship? Why not make the model as up to point as possible? I guess the same question could be applied to the Liaoning model nearby.