055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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Is there enough space in the aft to carry 64 VLS? It seems like the empty space right before the hanger is only big enough for 32 VLS, like the 052D. So total VLS could be 96, like the Arleigh Burke and Atago?
Here is the picture of the Aft section. I think there is only enough space for 32 VLS, right?
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If Type 055 'only' carries the same load-out as Arleigh Burke, the question naturally arises as to what the additional ~40% displacement is being used for.
Undoubtedly Type 055 is intended as a true '21st century' platform, including future growth potential and integration of emerging technologies such as railguns and and DEW weapons, but I'm not sure that can explain such a significant difference in displacement.
Undoubtedly Type 055 is intended as a true '21st century' platform, including future growth potential and integration of emerging technologies such as railguns and and DEW weapons, but I'm not sure that can explain such a significant difference in displacement.
Maybe the type 055 is big because it has bigger chimney, engines, and radar sets. It is definitely a "smarter" ship than most Aegis ships in service today given how many radars will be onboard. However, as I mentioned in earlier posts, history is full of under-armed ships, like the Bismark. Maybe while the 055 possess the same firepower as the Arleigh Burke Flight IIA, it has longer range, potentially like that of a battlecruiser. Also, Chinese VLS are wider and longer (given that Chinese solid fuel missiles are bigger due to immaturity in minimization), so that explains why Chinese ships are heavier and more spacious.
Yes, in the sense that the real ship could be 2-3 meters wider. However, I doubted that the Aft VLS section is out of scale since it is not that difficult to put in several more pieces of steel plates to show the approximate length of the aft VLS section.
Anyway if it isn't propulsion problems of spaces for more fuel, I cannot understand the rational behind arming the 055 with only 96 VLS. Given a ship the size of a battlecruiser, I at least would prefer arming it with a sustainable load of munition (96 will run out in less than 3 days of battle). Also, for CIWS, a ship size of 055 would need at least two sets of HQ-10 and two sets of Type-1130. It is not another 052D, and yet, it only has the self-defense armament of that of 052D.
What is definite is that there is absolutely no way to make this kind of claim at this point.
Josh Luo said:
Josh, you are making claims here that are very subjective.
How quickly they run out will be determined by the fire rate. 96 or even 128 VLS cells could be depleted in a single battle/day if the engagement was a sustained saturation attack of two or three waves.
As to the 96 cells, I believe the vessel will either be 112 or 128. To date, I lean towards the 112...64 in one VLS array and 48 in the other.
As to comparing it to the 052D...it is not. Even at 96 cells, it has 50% more VLS cells than the Type 052D. That is not inconsequential. Those VLS cells carry AAW missiles which are, by definition, self defense missiles.
Since they are multi-missile/role VLS, I expect you will see LR SAMs, MR SAMS, and quad-packed SR SAMs in them as well, along with Anti-sub VL rockets, ASMs, etc..
So, the Type 1130 and the FL-3000N are not the only self-defense weapons. You have to also include the VLS and their nature.
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Given the complexities involving the design and construction of the type 055, do you see the 055 being manufactured in large scale like the Arleigh Burke? Because for the U.S. to manufacture 62 (and more) Arleigh Burke, you really got to combine quality with quantity. Since the late 1980s, the PLA overall has shifted from "quantity" based on People's War (for PLAN, that means waves of banzai charges by means of gunboats and 051 Luda destroyers) to quality (concentrating on a very few number of elite destroyers supported by about 20 054A frigates). So do you see the PLAN combining "quantity" and "quality" like the U.S., especially mass-producing ships far more complex than 052D, like the 055?
Josh, not every discussion on this forum needs to be turned into war talk. We actually strongly discourage it. China has a well thought out modernization that requires a lot of work in many areas. Just put some effort in to read through what others have already wrote in these threads first.
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