055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Blitzo]

My last post was a bit long, but basically the essence of what I'm saying is that things like radar, combat system, command and control, are as important in the modern day as VLS count.

Moving away from comparisons (which is always a vague topic to discuss when including PLA items), if the 055 really does have an X band AESA and an L band phased array or other dedicated volume search radar in addition to the S band 346A, I think it wouldn't be a stretch to say 055 would have one of the most, if not the most comprehensive and capable radar suites of its generation.

Most ships only have two main phased arrays, one of L band, S band, or X band. L band for VSR, S band for MFR and supporting midcourse guidance for SAMs, and X band for surface/horizon search and target direction for things like the main gun, as well as terminal guidance for SARH SAMs.
Type 45 has phased array L and S band, as does Horizon. Eurofrigates like De Zeven, Saschen have L and X band. Current generation Aegis ships have only an S band phased array of older PESA type, while flight III burke will have S and X band AESAs.
If 055 does end up getting its trio, it will be quite unique in having dedicated types of phased array radars specialized for every stage of any type of surface or air engagement.

 

[no_name]

I wonder if modern power system will allow the radars to be on, but power to be dynamically altered in distribution across the different radars as see fit for the situation.

 

[snake65]

Russian 22350 frigate has L-band volume search "Furke-4", S-band MFR "Polyment" and X-band FCR "Puma". They all are phased array radars.

 

[Blitzo]

Russian 22350 frigate has L-band volume search "Furke-4", S-band MFR "Polyment" and X-band FCR "Puma". They all are phased array radars.

X band FCRs for guns aren't quite the same as what I'm thinking -- an MFR along the lines of the Thales APAR, with general functions that you'd expect in an MFR but excelling for surface and horizon search with potential secondary roles for terminal guidance for SARH missiles and also gun direction. Puma is an FCR that only supports the main gun, as far as I know. nowhere near the capability of an MFR AESA. Big difference between something like APAR and a fire control radar for a gun mount.

But I appreciate the suggestion.

 

[Blitzo]

Russian 22350 frigate has L-band volume search "Furke-4", S-band MFR "Polyment" and X-band FCR "Puma". They all are phased array radars.

For the record, I suppose what I meant was 055 would be the only ship to have three full sets of phased array MFRs covering three different bands. Of course, each radar would have their own different roles and specializations, but would all be considered MFRs.

That is to say, that excludes single role radars like gun FCRs or SAM terminal illuminators

 

[Africanus]

Anybody know how reliable

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is? According to this article on the YJ-12 and YJ-100 the Type 055 will have 128 VLS,

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The type-055 destroyer will be used as one of the largest surface combat vessels, apart from the aircraft carrier, and must be a basic carrier of oversized large-scale missiles. The destroyer, on its front end and rear end respectively mounted with 64 vertical launching systems, can not only carry large-size anti-ship missiles like the "YJ-100", but can also carry missiles for different purposes, including anti-submarine and air-defense missiles.

 

[tphuang]

well, that's actually the PLA site, but the language of article sounds very speculative.

 

[Jeff Head]

...... once it reaches a similar stage of maturity..

That's the key phrase regarding the sensors...and I agree with you.

How long that takes, and how much we will know about it is something we cannot say at this point.

 

[SpicySichuan]

Anybody know how reliable

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is? According to this article on the YJ-12 and YJ-100 the Type 055 will have 128 VLS,

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I got some problems with the lack of clarity there. Do they mean that the front end and rear end EACH has 64 VLS, or the entire ship - including the front and rear - have a TOTAL of 64 VLS. Don't get me wrong, history has shown that over-sized ships carry less weapons than they could. For example, the size of the Bismarck could theoretically allow it to mount eight >16 inches guns (possibly 420mm guns), but it ended up only mounting eight 15 inches guns since the Germans didn't want to design new guns and turrets. The British Nelson class was a much smaller ship than Bismarck, but they carried nine 16 inches guns, totally out-gunning the Bismarck at long distance. Back to the 21st Century, if the 055 happen to carry only 64 VLS in total, it would just be another example how over-sized warships carrying less weapons than what's theoretically allowed. Sorry for being off topic again!

 

[Jeff Head]

I got some problems with the lack of clarity there. Do they mean that the front end and rear end EACH has 64 VLS, or the entire ship - including the front and rear - have a TOTAL of 64 VLS.

The Type 055 will definitely carry well over 64 VLS.

That article is indicating 64 VLS fore and another 64 VLS aft, for a total of 128.

But that is not completely settled yet. Some show a 64 and 48 combination equaling 112 total.

But, either way, it will definitely not be 64 total.