054B/new generation frigate

Iron Man

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There is always a possibility that they already designed it that they can switch out the canisters as necessary if the mission requirement is for anti-surface. For ASW, it is possible that these existing canisters are holding a few yu-8 rocket assisted torpedoes.
That's what I was thinking, except not the vertically-launched Yu-8 which would be launched from the H/AKJ-16 VLS tubes, but the Yu-11 which would be launched from slant launchers, though I'm not totally sure the latter is actually in service with the PLAN yet. I imagine the differences between the two would mainly be range and speed, with the Yu-8 (defensive-oriented ASW) being faster than the Yu-11 (offensive-oriented ASW), but with less range. I could see a use case for both being present in the same ship, especially one tailored towards ASW.

Let the destroyers deal with AAW, the frigate can hunt down subs. All you néed is a hull that has a sophisticated asw suite, a highly experienced sonar tech and a LAMPS type helo.
For an ASW-oriented ship it would have been better for the class to have a dual hangar, like the OHP frigates, which were also ASW specialists.

Consider me sceptical about ship-to-ship firing opportunities for light ascm fired from a frigate. Meaning, targeting a ship that can actually chew through a salvo reliably.
May happen, but not the primary use case really.
This is clearly a frigate meant to operate mainly as part of a CSG, so the most straightforward application of the frigate's ASCMs is as part of a saturation missile attack. The 054As will surely be more and more relegated to non-CSG/SAG roles as more 54Bs start rolling out.
 

Iron Man

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It's a diesel-diesel ship, just like 054a, and exactly matches its weapon setup.
True, but the 054B's diesels are clearly not going to be the same as the 054A's diesels. Max and cruising speeds could easily be higher, and it would shock me if they actually were not. The electronics suite on the ships, OTOH are clearly not the same. I would expect the newer class to be using GaN-based AESAs along with a suitably more advanced combat data system, which would make it far more suited to help the CSG defend against saturation missile attacks. And many of the 054As don't even have VDS. The PLAN would sensibly and easily prioritize the 054B for CSGs/SAGs over the dated 054A class in the future as they appear in numbers.
 

Gloire_bb

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True, but the 054B's diesels are clearly not going to be the same as the 054A's diesels. Max and cruising speeds could easily be higher, and it would shock me if they actually were not.
Still, diesels (as opposed to turbines) have their basic properties. They're physically troublesome to get to be exact match to turbine squadron, and are a big complication in operations.

Overall, it's a very reliable indicator whether ships are meant to be together frequently.
 

Iron Man

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Still, diesels (as opposed to turbines) have their basic properties. They're physically troublesome to get to be exact match to turbine squadron, and are a big complication in operations.

Overall, it's a very reliable indicator whether ships are meant to be together frequently.
OTOH there is no other cheap source of ASW in a CSG/SAG, with 052Ds and 055s far more valuable as AAW assets. Also, I think fleet speed is more a matter of matching disparate economical speeds than anything else, and that's really where variable pitch propellers come into play.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Wow the Indians sure complete their sea trials super quick - just 5 months!
Ignoring their ridiculously long construction time, they can sure commission ships quickly

Recall that the Vikrant hasn't even got her radar sets installed when she was commissioned.

I wouldn't take India's announcements of "warships commissioning into active service" too seriously.
 
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