054B/new generation frigate

Blitzo

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Has a naval version of the HQ-16F been confirmed or observed?

No, but it is highly likely that an equivalent domestic naval system that is at least as capable of not superior, will be confirmed in time.

The lag time between the PLA (and especially PLAN) missiles being tested, introduced and having visual confirmation for it, is knowable but potentially immense and we've had indicators of that in the past.


Right. But then shouldn't it be on the portside of the ship?

The side anchor doesn't have to be on the port side of a ship. There are plenty of ships with a side anchor on the starboard bow.
 

by78

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Some close-up details.

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Zichan

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Interesting. The new frigate has a deeper draft than a 052D destroyer. There is theoretically room there for equally long VLS tubes.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Discussion moved here to avoid derailing the original thread.
Interesting whether it will have any impact to PLAN planner to how many to build 054B

12x new FFMs is quite high number and very fast build ... time will tell whether it will be the case to have 12x in 2028

WRT to the 054B, we should see how China performs in this regard, using the 054A FFG (due to role) and 052D DDG (due to tonnage) for tabulation.

(Note that the following figures are crude, and not meant to be absolutely accurate/exact.)

For the 054A FFG:
1st batch (2006-2007) with 4 ships launched in ~1 year = ~4 ships/year.
2nd batch (2009-2012) with 12 ships launched in ~3 years = ~4 ships/year.
3rd batch (2013-2017) with 10 ships launched in ~5 years = ~2 ships/year.
4th batch (2017-2018) with 4 ships launched in ~1 year = ~4 ships/year.
5th batch (2021-2022) with 10 ships launched in ~2 years = ~5 ships/year.
Average = ~3.8 ships per year per batch.

For the 052D DDG:
1st batch (2012-2015) with 8 ships launched in ~3 years = ~2.67 ships/year.
2nd batch (2015-2017) with 5 ships launched in ~2 years = ~2.5 ships/year.
3rd batch (2018-2020) with 12 ships launched in ~2 years = ~6 ships/year.
Average = 3.72 ships per year per batch.

TBH - As long as China has the willpower and resources, China has nothing to worry about. In fact, should the situation demands immediate increase in the speed of pumping out 054Bs, they can certainly go even further than 3+ ships per year.

In the meantime, speaking of numbers - It is in my earnest opinion that, to put it simply, the PLAN should/must work towards surpassing the USN in terms of combined comprehensive firepower output capability as a part-and-parcel element towards securing and guaranteeing China's naval supremacy in the WestPac.

Therefore, the question on how many HSC-surface combatants (i.e. 054A, 054B, 052C, 052D and 055) does the PLAN actually require should also revolve around this objective/goal, IMHO.
 
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Tam

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Need sharp pics on top of the mast. There might be more cutouts on the mast that might indicate what's being installed there.
 
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