054/A FFG Thread II

[Ambivalent]

No. You ditch the faulty one and continue to operate the other one.:china:
That's a war-time advice, of course

Now you are short one helo, thus limiting the intended combat power of the ship. Not an acceptable trade off when a helo is expensive, takes a lot of effort to build and then time to ship it to the theater of action, just because something perfectly repairable failed.

 

[jackbh]

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[maozedong]

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there is no pennant number 533 for any 054A yet.

 

[jackbh]

there is no pennant number 533 for any 054A yet.

Good catch, but maybe for a future ship!

 

[challenge]

surprise is that most of PLAN sensor and electronic equipment at least 2~3 decade behind the US or europe.
most PLAN planar array radar are basically liscense copy of older russian naval radar. already thales team up with the russian to developed "smart" mast,the concept are very similiar to raytheon radar system being developed for DDG-21.
according to july issue of IDR,the smart mast comprise of 4 AESA radar,and various smaller phase array radar.this allowth radar to perform serach,track,jamming,communication,data link.

 

[tphuang]

surprise is that most of PLAN sensor and electronic equipment at least 2~3 decade behind the US or europe.
most PLAN planar array radar are basically liscense copy of older russian naval radar. already thales team up with the russian to developed "smart" mast,the concept are very similiar to raytheon radar system being developed for DDG-21.
according to july issue of IDR,the smart mast comprise of 4 AESA radar,and various smaller phase array radar.this allowth radar to perform serach,track,jamming,communication,data link.

I can't let this one go. The Sea Eagle radar on 054A is certainly not a copy of Russian top plate. If you ever looked at their up close photos, you'd see Sea Eagle ones have far more rows of antenna. We also have from brochures that they are operating on different bands. I'd say Sea Eagle is probably more advanced than the latest Top Plate that is being offered by the Russians.
Sea Eagle is pretty much similar in concept to S1850M and smart-l on the European ships, except they are not as powerful due to their smaller size. And as for FCRs, they are still part of any ship not using ARH SAMs. As for SR-64, it certainly makes sense to have an additional sensor placed on top of the mast that would give the ship better tracking of sea-skimmers.

 

[challenge]

I can't let this one go. The Sea Eagle radar on 054A is certainly not a copy of Russian top plate. If you ever looked at their up close photos, you'd see Sea Eagle ones have far more rows of antenna. We also have from brochures that they are operating on different bands. I'd say Sea Eagle is probably more advanced than the latest Top Plate that is being offered by the Russians.
Sea Eagle is pretty much similar in concept to S1850M and smart-l on the European ships, except they are not as powerful due to their smaller size. And as for FCRs, they are still part of any ship not using ARH SAMs. As for SR-64, it certainly makes sense to have an additional sensor placed on top of the mast that would give the ship better tracking of sea-skimmers.

but sea eagle still mechanical radar,how the radar able to cope with high attrition ,mass saturation aerial attack,LR stand off stealth missile,stealth aircraft,high performance jamming...
what 054 really need is SPY-5 type radar system.

 

[Totoro]

Sampson radar is also mechanically steered in its horizontal aspect. A very conscious decision on part of type 45 destroyer designers. Same can be said for Horizon destroyers; all very modern ships.

 

[challenge]

consider the jap type-95 anti ship missile,same size as harpoon,according to the japanese publication the missile were coated RAM.her overall RCS (head on) will much smaller than golf ball. missile could only be detected only at eye ball range.
and I am sure all naval anti ship missile these day were coated with RAM.thales actually developed small radar cancellation generator small enough to fit inside exocet missile,making the missile completely dissappear from radar screen. while the russian developed new gen. active "silent"radar seeker that could not be detected by conventional ESM,RF function very similiar to AESA.

 

[tphuang]

consider the jap type-95 anti ship missile,same size as harpoon,according to the japanese publication the missile were coated RAM.her overall RCS (head on) will much smaller than golf ball. missile could only be detected only at eye ball range.
and I am sure all naval anti ship missile these day were coated with RAM.thales actually developed small radar cancellation generator small enough to fit inside exocet missile,making the missile completely dissappear from radar screen. while the russian developed new gen. active "silent"radar seeker that could not be detected by conventional ESM,RF function very similiar to AESA.

First of all, Sea Eagle is like all other 3D volume search radar out there employing the method of electronically scanning in elevation and mechanically scanning in azimuth. A lot of the modern volume search radar are like this. It's part of a system of sensors which includes Type 364 radar, the Orekh-clones, LR-66/OFC-3 on Type 730 CIWS, 2 EO Trackers and a IRST sensor. You could argue that it needs a MFR to combine the tasks of some of these sensors.

I would agree that it's definitely harder to have high level data fusion when you have to combine so many sensors together. And it's better to have a setup like the one on Type 45, but 054A is not a dedicated AAW ship.

It is certainly more than capable of defending against multiple subsonic missiles.