054/A FFG Thread II

[montyp165]

What info do you have on a Chinese stand off ASW weapon? Is it based on 3M54?

The two types currently under evaluation are the CY-3 and the CJ-1 long range anti-sub weapons.

 

[tphuang]

What info do you have on a Chinese stand off ASW weapon? Is it based on 3M54?

yeah, a lot of it really is kind of mysterious. As I said, I'm still waiting for further proof at the moment. It's not like things like Bow mounted sonar and TAS, which we have already seen that on 054A.

btw, just to bring it to the forefront, we finally have pictures of HH-16 now as shown in the 60th anniversary parade. Interesting to compare the second picture to the 3rd and 4th. The 3rd one shows 9M317M1 and also the VLS version which is 9M317M2 (or M3). I don't like using SA-N-7 or SA-N-12, since there are so many versions (9M38, 9M38M1, 9M38M2, 9M317, 9M317M1...). The 4th picture shows 9M317 compared to 9M38M1

 

[adeptitus]

If a country were to reverse engineer cold-war era weapon system, with the advancements in manufacturing, electronics, etc. today, it cannot be assumed that a "copy" has the same characteristics as the 30-year old original product.

If we take a MiG-21 pilot from the Cold War era and put him in the cockpit of a modernized MiG-21 today, he'd probably say "wow!".

 

[tphuang]

i was looking at some pictures of SM-1 today and noticed some similarity between that and HH-16 too. Looks like they took ideas from both standard missile and shtil when they designed HH-16. Would be interesting to see the published performance of HH-16.

 

[Ambivalent]

If a country were to reverse engineer cold-war era weapon system, with the advancements in manufacturing, electronics, etc. today, it cannot be assumed that a "copy" has the same characteristics as the 30-year old original product.

If we take a MiG-21 pilot from the Cold War era and put him in the cockpit of a modernized MiG-21 today, he'd probably say "wow!".

Yeah, thanks to the Israeli's he would! :nono:

 

[Twix101]

Totally agree. Some of those "frigates" are in name only, like Japan's helicopter carrier being called a "destroyer".

We should take in account that french designations doesn't include the word "destroyer", instead, there are first rank frigates and second rank frigates, but their hull number are D-XXX or F-XXX to meet NATO standards.

 

[Ambivalent]

In the days of sail, a Frigate was the smallest ship that could conduct independent operations around the globe. This is how the French Navy uses the term today, and it makes sense. As steam replaces sail, cruisers became the smallest ships capable of independent cruising. Destroyers were too small and short ranged. For a time right after WWII the USN likewise called their ships larger than destroyers "frigates" before reclassifying them as cruisers after all the big gun cruisers were decommissioned. "Destroyer" comes from "Torpedo Boat Destroyer" and these were originally fast, lightly built and short ranged surface escorts not designed for independent operations. As destroyers increased in size and cruisers became too expensive for most navies ( as true destroyers are now ) they became the new cruiser. The French, to their credit in my view, hung on to the traditional name.
What we now consider a frigate comes out of post WWII Royal Navy efforts to design a purpose built high speed ASW hunter killer surface ship and to differentiate this ship from a larger, more general purpose escort like a destroyer. The ultimate expression of that effort was the outstanding Leander class, which were prized by the navies that operated them, and today with the Duke class.

 

[luhai]

I'm also wondering about Chinese naming conversions, and how they relate to international standards. For example, in Beiyang and early ROCN navies, there are only battleship(7000 ton), cruisers(1500 - 7000 ton), and gun boats (500 ton), while the name Frigate only appeared after introduction of Knox class in the ROCN and Jianghu class in PLAN.


Frigates are known in China as escort ship or guard ship
Destroyer are known as chaser ship
Cruiser are known as ocean patrol ship
Aircraft Carrier are known as aerial mothership.

Interesting the Cannon class Destroyer Escorts in service in the post-war ROCN are named as escort chaser ship, which mean translate to frigate-destroyers using today's translations.

 

[tphuang]

a bunch of new pictures of the 3rd 054A from HD shipyard. The interesting photo is the last one, where you see a Ka-28 on the heli-pad, but there is also clearly a Z-9C in the hangar. So, in short term mission, it can clearly hold 2 helos.

 

[maozedong]

a bunch of new pictures of the 3rd 054A from HD shipyard. The interesting photo is the last one, where you see a Ka-28 on the heli-pad, but there is also clearly a Z-9C in the hangar. So, in short term mission, it can clearly hold 2 helos.

nice pix,that hangar seems very deep,but I think it still one hello inside,one on heli-pad, I think how far the ship going depend on the weather.
is this the last one or one more in H.D?