054/A FFG Thread II

[franco-russe]

Thanks, that shows that the list prepared by zoom was entirely correct. To me it is very confusing that YANCHENG – which is Hull 10 overall, but HD 5 – is going to NSF. Both pennant no. 546 and name are wrong. And if 550 SIPING goes to ESF, it would be even worse!

(I apogise for writing that Yancheng is in Sichuan, there was one, but with the curious Chinese habit of renaming cities it is now Jinyang. We both know that Yancheng is a semi-deserted airfield in Jiangsu).

 

[kroko]

But now that you brought up Thailand...while the 054 did blue-water tested (anti-piracy expedition) the Thais were said to have a bad memory with MIC vessels...if what's on Taiwan's defense magazines and Kanwa to go by that is.

That was a long time ago. Those MIC vessels were type 053 frigates built in early 90´s. The ones sold to thailand by mid-90´s were much better.

The vessels produced today must be of much better quality compared to that time.

 

[joshuatree]

That was a long time ago. Those MIC vessels were type 053 frigates built in early 90´s. The ones sold to thailand by mid-90´s were much better.

The vessels produced today must be of much better quality compared to that time.

Indeed, there's little doubt the ships built today would be of better quality. However, perception is key. For instance, Hyundai started selling cheap but poor quality cars in the late 80s in the US. That bad rep took 20 years to be undone. Only now does Hyundai get serious consideration from your typical American consumer. They were relegated to low income, bad credit buyers, and rental fleets for the longest time. This is an area the Chinese will need to start focusing on to make the next transition, whether it be military or commercial.

 

[Lion]

Indeed, there's little doubt the ships built today would be of better quality. However, perception is key. For instance, Hyundai started selling cheap but poor quality cars in the late 80s in the US. That bad rep took 20 years to be undone. Only now does Hyundai get serious consideration from your typical American consumer. They were relegated to low income, bad credit buyers, and rental fleets for the longest time. This is an area the Chinese will need to start focusing on to make the next transition, whether it be military or commercial.

Royal Thai Navy did buy the Pattani class OPV(recently) from China,right?

 

[joshuatree]

Royal Thai Navy did buy the Pattani class OPV(recently) from China,right?

Yes but I believe these vessels have European propulsion and weapons systems?

 

[Spartan95]

Indeed, there's little doubt the ships built today would be of better quality. However, perception is key. For instance, Hyundai started selling cheap but poor quality cars in the late 80s in the US. That bad rep took 20 years to be undone. Only now does Hyundai get serious consideration from your typical American consumer. They were relegated to low income, bad credit buyers, and rental fleets for the longest time. This is an area the Chinese will need to start focusing on to make the next transition, whether it be military or commercial.

Actually, PRC's shipyards have started focusing on this aspect a few years back.

HD have sold the F22P to Pakistan (happen to visit HD while all 3 were still there a few years back), and is now competing internationally for the high end shipbuilding segment for LNG/LPG vessels with some success. They are also entering the cruise liner segment.

 

[A.Man]

It Is Certain That 054A A Frigate Is Large Than A 051 Destroyer

By The Way, This Photo Was Taken In Lushun Of North Sea Fleet Base Yesterday.

 

[tphuang]

054A is probably a little larger than 051, but where do you get the proof that it is certainly larger just by looking at these photos?

Also while this is probably from Lushun, it's interesting to see 548 and 163 in the photo, since they are from ESF and SSF respectively.

 

[kroko]

Why does china has 3 naval fleets ? its all in the same ocean.

 

[joshuatree]

Why does china has 3 naval fleets ? its all in the same ocean.

No more different than why the USN has the Seventh, Third, and part of the new Fourth Fleets covering the Pacific or the Second, Sixth, and part of the Fourth Fleets covering the Atlantic.