052C/052D Class Destroyers
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by78
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I believe he's talking about the cables which extend from the mast to the top of the ship that are used to fly signal flags... which is why I'm confused as to just how "pathetic" signal cables can really be.
by78
General
There is a chance Mr. Chang thought those were telegram cables, like those found on iron-clads from the 1890s.
This is the Type 052C/D thread for the PLAN...not a Taiwan negativity thread. OT posts like this will be deleted because they are OT, and because they lean towards violating civility rules on SD about other nations.
Most of the ROCN personnel (and I have known several personally) are professional and squared away. Negative hear say and innuendo are just that...and violate the rules whether they are about China, Taiwan or any other.
Stay on topic.
Most of the ROCN personnel (and I have known several personally) are professional and squared away. Negative hear say and innuendo are just that...and violate the rules whether they are about China, Taiwan or any other.
Stay on topic.
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cn_habs
Junior Member
What's the surprise here?
I don't think this has been posted yet. A rare picture (from a relatively uninteresting set) showing an 052D's VDS panel half raised, and we can see some of the lowering/recovery mechanism protruding out.
I think it is worth keeping in mind just how much of an improvement it will be, to have virtually all the PLAN's new build surface combatants equipped with bow sonar, TAS, and VDS.
Most of the 056s starting from hull number 16, the last four 054As starting from hull number 19, and all 052Ds, are equipped or are almost definitely going to be equipped with a combination of bow sonar+TAS+VDS. Even if we don't know how capable the sonars are, having a full suite of all three types is definitely impressive and usually only seen among the most modern and more ASW specialized surface combatants in the world, and even more impressive when it is stratified among all the current production DDG, FFG, and corvette classes of a large navy.
We can expect 055 and 054B/next generation frigate to also both feature similarly comprehensive ASW sonar suites, and I would hope that all 056 production in the near future shifts to the so called 056A version equipped with VDS and TAS.
Certainly, if we're only counting ships that are expected and confirmed to be built in the near future with this triple threat ASW suite, we're looking at 6 x 056As, 4 x 054A+s, and 12 052Ds. Definitely not shabby at all, and I think this is an area where the PLAN are quietly moving to improve their surface combatant ASW capability. the other major element is ASW helicopters, and that is where Z-18FQ and the expected "Z-20FQ" will come into play. Once all these elements are brought together and the PLAN get to play with them for a few years, I think we will see quite a dramatic improvement in ASW capability, not dissimilar to how the initially small scale introduction of MRAAMs and AEWC for the PLAAF in the mid 2000s has led to a normalised BVR capability for the air fleet and vastly improved AEW+C4ISR capability we see today.
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(Disclaimer, this may not be the VDS panel and might be one of the side panels near the aft... regardless, my preceding post/rant is still valid
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I think it is worth keeping in mind just how much of an improvement it will be, to have virtually all the PLAN's new build surface combatants equipped with bow sonar, TAS, and VDS.
Most of the 056s starting from hull number 16, the last four 054As starting from hull number 19, and all 052Ds, are equipped or are almost definitely going to be equipped with a combination of bow sonar+TAS+VDS. Even if we don't know how capable the sonars are, having a full suite of all three types is definitely impressive and usually only seen among the most modern and more ASW specialized surface combatants in the world, and even more impressive when it is stratified among all the current production DDG, FFG, and corvette classes of a large navy.
We can expect 055 and 054B/next generation frigate to also both feature similarly comprehensive ASW sonar suites, and I would hope that all 056 production in the near future shifts to the so called 056A version equipped with VDS and TAS.
Certainly, if we're only counting ships that are expected and confirmed to be built in the near future with this triple threat ASW suite, we're looking at 6 x 056As, 4 x 054A+s, and 12 052Ds. Definitely not shabby at all, and I think this is an area where the PLAN are quietly moving to improve their surface combatant ASW capability. the other major element is ASW helicopters, and that is where Z-18FQ and the expected "Z-20FQ" will come into play. Once all these elements are brought together and the PLAN get to play with them for a few years, I think we will see quite a dramatic improvement in ASW capability, not dissimilar to how the initially small scale introduction of MRAAMs and AEWC for the PLAAF in the mid 2000s has led to a normalised BVR capability for the air fleet and vastly improved AEW+C4ISR capability we see today.
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(Disclaimer, this may not be the VDS panel and might be one of the side panels near the aft... regardless, my preceding post/rant is still valid
)He means the submarine?