052C/052D Class Destroyers

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joshuatree

Captain
asif iqbal said:
Personally I don't like this separation of fleets and like the idea of the Liaoning which can be used by any fleet

I think PLAN should re organise and allow ships to operate in different fleets this will add flexibility

Plus it balances out the warship tonnage these SSF, ESF and NSF is old school naval strategy

ESF right now is a top tier flotilla with 4 x Type 052C while NSF is no where near getting its share of the new DDG this is a disparity

I guess the current set up is too deep rooted to change overnight and gradually we will see PLAN reorient

Also PLAN should get more aggressive excercises with surface and sub surface manoeuvres maybe a large scale ASW mission out in the Pacific Ocean
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I don't think having different fleets is a problem so long as ships can rotate to different fleets. That has happened although for now, it's because they transfer older vessels to the lesser fleets. But this issue should go away once the navy has an all modern fleet. Right now, certain fleets get all the new toys because of the hotspots that they face.
 
by78

by78

General
Since there is no dedicated thread for the HQ-10, I will post it here. These I believe are some of the clearest photos of the missile guidance system, which has both infrared and microwave(?) homing.

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shen

shen

Senior Member
by78 said:
Since there is no dedicated thread for the HQ-10, I will post it here. These I believe are some of the clearest photos of the missile guidance system, which has both infrared and microwave(?) homing.
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here is the video. guidance is imaging IR and passive RF.
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PanAsian

Major
duskylim said:
Note how the latest 054A frigates come with then Type 1130 CIWS

while the 052D's only use the Type 730 CIWS.

Why do you think they did this?
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Weight and/or space are the most likely reasons because where the Type 730 is located on the 054A amidships can probably be more flexibly arranged and allow for the type 1130 than where it is on the 052D on a pedestal/protrusion between the bridge and the missile silos.
 
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kickars

Junior Member
duskylim said:
Note how the latest 054A frigates come with then Type 1130 CIWS

while the 052D's only use the Type 730 CIWS.

Why do you think they did this?
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It's all to do with the original contracts they signed years ago (sometimes more than a decade ago). The first 052D was unveiled at least 6 months before the latest 054A been fitted with Type-1130. Yes, Type-1130s were fitted on Liaoning long time ago. But Liaoning itself is an experimental ship for PLAN. So, we can only consider the latest 054As were the first ships to be fitted with production ready Type-1130s. It's a bit like the last two 052Cs are overlapping the first two 052Ds.

Once the contracts are signed. Different factories produce different parts for the same ship would start their work. During the period of building these war ships which take years, there would be new models of weapon systems introduced on the market (within China or around the world). But, that doesn't mean they can or are willing to discard perfectly good and brand new Type-730s (in this case) which might have been built already by the time Type-1130 was introduced. In this kind of situation, PLAN just has to have the 'dated' system for now before the 'mid-life' refit.

This happens in most industries, eg. automotive, telecommunication, computing, architecture...
 
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no_name

Colonel
duskylim said:
Note how the latest 054A frigates come with then Type 1130 CIWS

while the 052D's only use the Type 730 CIWS.

Why do you think they did this?
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I do think that for future ships they will replace all roles played previously by the 730 with 1130 and just have the 1130 as the sole standard gun type CIWS on main PLAN ships (I don't see why not, they use the same calibre, same ammunition and are there for the same purpose, so if one performs better might just as well have one system only). And then they will probably still produce some 730 for export purpose. But I don't think they will retrofit existing ships even if constraints were not an issue until maybe time for a major upgrade.

Btw according to videos the 730 is good for intercepting reliably targets up to Mach 1 speed, as was designed for most of the world's CIWS systems. 1130 was the first system in the world to specifically designed for intercepting targets of Mach 2, and upwards to Mach 3 speed.
 
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