052C/052D Class Destroyers

para80

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It's an interesting photo. There's a heated debate on cjdby forum. Some suggested it's a Photoshoped photo. Whereas most seem to believe two hangers should never be considered for a destroyer of this size (6k+ ton) as that might increase the centre of gravity somehow, which in turn would compromise the stability.

But, one thing nobody with that thought has answered so far despite been asked a few times on that forum already is that how a hollow structure such as a hanger can cause the increase of centre of gravity when originally missiles and all the launching mechanisms were in its place.

I personally think it's another "religious" believe that tends to go around military enthusiasts. Well, one can always argue most navies don't value stability as much as PLAN does right now as not every navy is a "blue-water" navy. Then, how about the old Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate of the US Navy. It's the same size as PLAN's Type-054A (4k ton) and it has always had two hangers.

The German Navy has a consistent tendency to put double hangars on their hulls, ever since F122 Bremen class, which displaced 3,800 tons, and repeated that in every following class. So this is not accurate re stability concerns etc. Its purely a question of what a navy wants their hulls to do and how they can sustain such operations.
 

Tam

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Yes, that is the photo I referred to. I guess they are using DDG 150 as an experiment to establish a protocol on upgrading the rest of type 052C to the latest type 052D improved spec as much as possible. Though I am puzzled why didn't they use DDG 170 or DDG 171.

150 is ESF. All the ships shown in that image is ESF. That refit and repair facility is in the ECS. I suppose the SCS units might be too busy patrolling their area of responsibility. Also Sixth Destroyer Flotilla has more experience with 052C than any unit in the PLAN, with four ships. They recently got the first 052DL commissioned in the entire PLAN. They may have moved crews from 150 to 156, which is Zibo the new 052DL. If Type 054A gets MLU, it will be on this facility, and using units of either the 3rd or the 6th, both of the ESF. The 3rd is responsible of all four Sovremenny.

There is another repair and refit facility that does the SCS ships, including the 167 Shenzhen. I believe that's where the two stripped down 052B 168 Guangzhou and 169 Wuhan is. That is probably where 170 and 171 will get their refits.
 

Tam

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It's an interesting photo. There's a heated debate on cjdby forum. Some suggested it's a Photoshoped photo. Whereas most seem to believe two hangers should never be considered for a destroyer of this size (6k+ ton) as that might increase the centre of gravity somehow, which in turn would compromise the stability.

But, one thing nobody with that thought has answered so far despite been asked a few times on that forum already is that how a hollow structure such as a hanger can cause the increase of centre of gravity when originally missiles and all the launching mechanisms were in its place.

I personally think it's another "religious" believe that tends to go around military enthusiasts. Well, one can always argue most navies don't value stability as much as PLAN does right now as not every navy is a "blue-water" navy. Then, how about the old Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate of the US Navy. It's the same size as PLAN's Type-054A (4k ton) and it has always had two hangers.

Those people where you heard it from are absolutely silly and has very short memories.


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Given this development, I find it likely if the two Type 052B that is being upgraded now (if they aren't sold to someone else) might get modified into two hangers, getting rid of the Shtil missile cache and launcher at the aft.

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Mark777c

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Those people where you heard it from are absolutely silly and has very short memories.


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Given this development, I find it likely if the two Type 052B that is being upgraded now (if they aren't sold to someone else) might get modified into two hangers, getting rid of the Shtil missile cache and launcher at the aft.

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Wait so the Type 52c destroyer has 2 hangers now ??? Im very confused can somebody clarify is that real or fake ?
 

Blitzo

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Just one hangar, the blur photo distorted visual perception.

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The central guide line for the helicopter is not where I believe the "wall" of the second hangar is.

When I first saw the picture, I saw it as so:
Green: existing hangar
Red: possible new hangar

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Totoro

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All the old images of 052c i find have the observation window for helicopter ops to the edge of the ship, opposite of the hangar. Actually, since the simplest explanations tend to be the best, I'll keep reserved on this twin hangar 052c issue. It may very well be that the low resolution is simply playing tricks on our eyes and that there may not be a second hangar. Further images will tell.
 

snake65

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All the old images of 052c i find have the observation window for helicopter ops to the edge of the ship, opposite of the hangar. Actually, since the simplest explanations tend to be the best, I'll keep reserved on this twin hangar 052c issue. It may very well be that the low resolution is simply playing tricks on our eyes and that there may not be a second hangar. Further images will tell.

Flycom is exactly where it was.
 

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