052/052B Class Destroyers

Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

ztz99g said:
The chance of the Type 052C having a forward hot launch VLS is close to zero IMO. The Type 052C looks to me like it will remain as it is now, with 48 cold launched HQ-9's. We will have to wait for the "052D" class to see if a PLAN destroyer class will mount hot launch cells.
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I agree.

But the 052C as it is, is a powerful addition for the PLAN. Now with 4-6 of them apparently coming online, I believe the PLAN is preparing to create large, well defended CSGs and SAGs. When you look at the 054As for FFG duties, the 052C for area anti-air, perhaps complemented with the o51Cs as needed, and the 052Bs and Sovs for general purpose DDG duties.

...and with the addition of the LPDs and the Shilang (if that is what they end up naming the Varyag), the PLAN is positioning itself to become arguably the second most powerful Navy in the WESTPAC, next to the US, although the Japanese JMSDF will give them a run for their money as their own carriers come online, particularly if they add the F-35 to the mix. The Japanese DDG force is very powerful i its own right.

...and that is why so many other countries are hurriedly building their own new amphibs and multi-task VTOL carriers.

Interesting times. The advancement of Naval Technology is being fueled rapidly by events and conditions in the WESTPAC before our very eyes.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

Jeff Head said:
I agree.

But the 052C as it is, is a powerful addition for the PLAN. Now with 4-6 of them apparently coming online, I believe the PLAN is preparing to create large, well defended CSGs and SAGs. When you look at the 054As for FFG duties, the 052C for area anti-air, perhaps complemented with the o51Cs as needed, and the 052Bs and Sovs for general purpose DDG duties.

...and with the addition of the LPDs and the Shilang (if that is what they end up naming the Varyag), the PLAN is positioning itself to become arguably the second most powerful Navy in the WESTPAC, next to the US, although the Japanese JMSDF will give them a run for their money as their own carriers come online, particularly if they add the F-35 to the mix. The Japanese DDG force is very powerful i its own right.

...and that is why so many other countries are hurriedly building their own new amphibs and multi-task VTOL carriers.

Interesting times. The advancement of Naval Technology is being fueled rapidly by events and conditions in the WESTPAC before our very eyes.
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In the next 5 yrs and onwards the westpac and even the SEA region will no doubt have the most active naval activity the world has ever seen. Even smaller countries like Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam are in their own mini arms race and they are also slowly but surely moving closer to a 1st world status in the next couple of decades. Singapore while a very small country has a very capable and modern Navy/AF that is equivalent to a country many times it's size. It is only no coincidence that the US 7th fleet is by far the most powerful and capable.
I fear if large deposits of oil or natural gas were to be discovered in the ocean floor in the region things may very well become very very interesting indeed!!
anyway sorry for the off topic.. let's get back to 052C discussions.:eek:
 
Jeff Head

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

kwaigonegin said:
.. let's get back to 052C discussions.:eek:
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Righto. i believe the 052C as it stands, even without the future upgrades so many hope for, is a good design and adds significant capabiity to the PLAN for effective area AAW. They will be critical pieces in any CSG or Phibron.

Add one or two 052Cs and one of the 051Bs with a couple of 054A FFGs and you have an effective surface, AAW and ASW screen for your capitol vessel, be it the carrier or LPD. Probably tack on at least one SSN to fill out the ASW defense.

Anyhow, I was wondering when the PLAN would get back to building more of their modern DDGs and now we see they are with the 052C.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

Jeff Head said:
Righto. i believe the 052C as it stands, even without the future upgrades so many hope for, is a good design and adds significant capabiity to the PLAN for effective area AAW. They will be critical pieces in any CSG or Phibron.

Add one or two 052Cs and one of the 051Bs with a couple of 054A FFGs and you have an effective surface, AAW and ASW screen for your capitol vessel, be it the carrier or LPD. Probably tack on at least one SSN to fill out the ASW defense.

Anyhow, I was wondering when the PLAN would get back to building more of their modern DDGs and now we see they are with the 052C.
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Probably they're waiting/working on a definitive multi-role DDG design to really on-par, or at least close the gap with the likes of AEGIS destroyers that Japan, S.Korea and US fields. But right now it's the area air defense that PLAN need to deal with, and it's clear that it's 052C picked to fill the role (looks like the 051C is a stop-gap, then).

Still, how'd they fill out a carrier strike group? By the current armada none of the 3 fleets can do so alone. Could they make it a combined fleet effort, something like the Japanese did in WW2?
 
maozedong

maozedong

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

long time no see new 052C photo, here are the latest photos from CDF, but the guy did'nt explain these photos, so,I don't know they are which is which, they look like the first and the second in these batch.


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Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

That's what I would guess too. The 1st one already rolled out and undergoing final fit out, the 2nd one still under construction within the facility. My understanding is that there will be at least two more after these two too. Six 052Cs is a good number for the PLAN. Gives them a lot of flexability in supplying area AAW coverage.
 
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Lion

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

maozedong said:
long time no see new 052C photo, here are the latest photos from CDF, but the guy did'nt explain these photos, so,I don't know they are which is which, they look like the first and the second in these batch.


2qtiv7s.jpg



2055n60.jpg
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J-20 takes away all the limelight from here:D
 
maozedong

maozedong

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

Jeff Head said:
That's what I would guess too. The 1st one already rolled out and undergoing final fit out, the 2nd one still under construction within the facility. My understanding is that there will be at least two more after these two too. Six 052Cs is a good number for the PLAN. Gives them a lot of flexability in supplying area AAW coverage.
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we have the photos show that the other two ship hull were assembled, we don't know how the progress they are right now, they could have the hull completed or not completed.
 
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adeptitus

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

MwRYum said:
Probably they're waiting/working on a definitive multi-role DDG design to really on-par, or at least close the gap with the likes of AEGIS destroyers that Japan, S.Korea and US fields. But right now it's the area air defense that PLAN need to deal with, and it's clear that it's 052C picked to fill the role (looks like the 051C is a stop-gap, then).
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IMO the 051C was an insurance policy to the 052C. The 052C has a lot of new technologies, which is risky, versus the 051C used mature, proven systems from Russia.

Consider the following:
1996-1998: Type 051B & Project 959 Sovremenny
2000-2002: Type 052B & Project 959EM Sovremenny
2003-2005: Type 052C & Type 051C

I think there's a pattern of plan A and B here.

In the first instance, the 051B was not a great success, so the backup plan (Project 959) worked better and no further 051B's were built.

In the second instance, the 052B worked OK but did not provide long-range AAW capability, nor was it designed for it. IMO the success of 054A made the 052B redundant.

In the third instance, the 052C was loaded with new hardware and presented a large risk. So the 051C was built as insurance with imported Russian systems.
 
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Roger604

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Re: DDG 052C Thread

adeptitus said:
In the first instance, the 051B was not a great success, so the backup plan (Project 959) worked better and no further 051B's were built.

In the second instance, the 052B worked better but did not provide long-range AAW capability, nor was it designed for it. IMO the success of 054A made the 052B redundant.

In the third instance, the 052C was loaded with new hardware and presented a large risk. So the 051C was built as insurance with imported Russian systems.
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In the fourth instance, two 052C+ are built using the lessons PLAN learned operating the 052C for the past 7 years. Meanwhile, two more 052D destroyers with square hot-launch VLS and integrated mast sensors are built at nearly the same time for trial.
 
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