AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Pardon if this was posted already.
Pardon if this was posted already.
052/052B Class Destroyers
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Can I ask a noob question? Why does the NSF rank last?
Japan makes a big deal whenever a Chinese fleet passes through there but does she really consider it enfringement of her sovereignty? I thought they pass through international waters?
Can I ask a noob question? Why does the NSF rank last?
Japan makes a big deal whenever a Chinese fleet passes through there but does she really consider it enfringement of her sovereignty? I thought they pass through international waters?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
ok that rests the Type 052D issue!
ok that rests the Type 052D issue!
MwRYum
Major
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
NSF was first for a long time, with the 1st gen SSN and SSBN assigned to them, plus the duty to guard the Yellow Sea that leads to the sea gateway to Beijing, but whatever scenario that'd threaten Beijing from the sea faded since the end of the Cold War - USSR is dead and Soviet Pacific Fleet reduced to a fraction of its past glory; US and Japan no longer threat from aboard (at least not explicitly militarily, their preferred method is "colored revolution", ie. subversion and 5th Columnist kind of things). Without WW3 insight and other things in mind, keeping the NSF "just enough, not grossly inferior" is the solution, instead of overstretching the budget to upgrade all 3 fleets at the same time. Thus, NSF's new ships in the last 20 years were either imports from Russia or stop-gap design to keep its capability within standard, alas nightmare logistically.
Mostly just political hot air, the usual "oh no! The scary Chinaman is coming!" kind of BS. It'll take time from them to get used to China sail forth into blue water.
A matter of priority and urgency mostly. ESF and SSF got priority because the "Taiwan issue" been simmering - and for a few occasions went "almost hot" - for a long time, should and if it goes hot the military solution would fall onto those 2 fleets, thus they've been getting the priority in latest indigenous hardware (because you can't rely on imports if things erupt into shooting war); especially the SSF, whom always been the last for a long time, the growing importance of South China Sea and the urgency to defend China's claim, justify chance of overhaul and expansion, therefore being getting new toys first for the past decade.
NSF was first for a long time, with the 1st gen SSN and SSBN assigned to them, plus the duty to guard the Yellow Sea that leads to the sea gateway to Beijing, but whatever scenario that'd threaten Beijing from the sea faded since the end of the Cold War - USSR is dead and Soviet Pacific Fleet reduced to a fraction of its past glory; US and Japan no longer threat from aboard (at least not explicitly militarily, their preferred method is "colored revolution", ie. subversion and 5th Columnist kind of things). Without WW3 insight and other things in mind, keeping the NSF "just enough, not grossly inferior" is the solution, instead of overstretching the budget to upgrade all 3 fleets at the same time. Thus, NSF's new ships in the last 20 years were either imports from Russia or stop-gap design to keep its capability within standard, alas nightmare logistically.
Mostly just political hot air, the usual "oh no! The scary Chinaman is coming!" kind of BS. It'll take time from them to get used to China sail forth into blue water.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
The seas in the north are well demarcated. China do not believe threats are greater in the North. Lack of water or other types of cannon fire at Chinese ships bears that out. The Chinese ships do use international waters, although on occasion they may drift towards the boundaries, possibly because of sea conditions, or possibly to reciprocate their own boundaries being violated. The Chinese policy has always been, since Mao's days, that don't mess with us and we don't mess with you; Mess with us, and we assuredly will mess with you. I can't remember if that policy was directly derived from Mao's little red book.
The seas in the north are well demarcated. China do not believe threats are greater in the North. Lack of water or other types of cannon fire at Chinese ships bears that out. The Chinese ships do use international waters, although on occasion they may drift towards the boundaries, possibly because of sea conditions, or possibly to reciprocate their own boundaries being violated. The Chinese policy has always been, since Mao's days, that don't mess with us and we don't mess with you; Mess with us, and we assuredly will mess with you. I can't remember if that policy was directly derived from Mao's little red book.
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Mysterre
Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Most of the policies and attributes of the PLA are almost certainly derived from your own little red book than from any source out there in the real world.
MwRYum
Major
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Unfortunately, "being a 5-cent gang" is not enough ground to boot him, unless the mods have different ideas. The price of free speech is that we've to tolerate senseless crap from time to time.
Unfortunately, "being a 5-cent gang" is not enough ground to boot him, unless the mods have different ideas. The price of free speech is that we've to tolerate senseless crap from time to time.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
You can make fun of him, but please stop with the 5-cent crap, everyone of us have probably been accused of that posting in other forums, please don't bring it here.
You can make fun of him, but please stop with the 5-cent crap, everyone of us have probably been accused of that posting in other forums, please don't bring it here.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
The 052D schematic can't be right. The rear VLS modules can't penetrate 4 full decks because the 4th deck is the engine room.
from "Shipborn Weapons Magazine"
The 052D schematic can't be right. The rear VLS modules can't penetrate 4 full decks because the 4th deck is the engine room.