052/052B Class Destroyers

Jeff Head · Sep 11, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

no_name said:
Somewhat better quality pictures, nothing we haven't already seem before.

Still probably the clearest picture yet from the starboard bow on

Also, did a little quick PS'ing to get a look at what the Type 052D might look like at sea once deployed (*Note: This is pretty quick and dirty):

archon · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

For 052D, will this ship carry spare missiles beside those 60 tubes. . Is it possible to load missile outside the dock area.

Blitzo · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Detail of 052D's VLS, posted by xyz over on CDF first

Now, I'm not sure if this is a CG or not, it could be a very high detail picture of the bow or aft VLS with the rest of the ship shopped out to leak "just enough" of the ship so the police won't invite them for tea.

I mean if you look at the surface of the VLS, it's not completely smooth like one would expect off a CG image but is more realistically "non smooth".
Then again, who knows, it would be a remarkably HD picture if real. Looks like it was taken very close as well.

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If this isn't a CG, then this is either a photo of the forward VLS, but that means it would have had to been taken on the ship itself (unlikely), or, the aft VLS, taken from a boat under construction or structure alongside 052D, which is not unprecedented as we've gotten quite a few murky shots of 052D which can only have been taken by someone inside the shipyard.

Mysterre · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:
Detail of 052D's VLS, posted by xyz over on CDF first

Now, I'm not sure if this is a CG or not, it could be a very high detail picture of the bow or aft VLS with the rest of the ship shopped out to leak "just enough" of the ship so the police won't invite them for tea.

I mean if you look at the surface of the VLS, it's not completely smooth like one would expect off a CG image but is more realistically "non smooth".
Then again, who knows, it would be a remarkably HD picture if real. Looks like it was taken very close as well.

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If this isn't a CG, then this is either a photo of the forward VLS, but that means it would have had to been taken on the ship itself (unlikely), or, the aft VLS, taken from a boat under construction or structure alongside 052D, which is not unprecedented as we've gotten quite a few murky shots of 052D which can only have been taken by someone inside the shipyard.

This looks a little too detailed to be fake. It's too bad the photographer CGed out the surroundings; I have no idea why the police would get butthurt over the rest of the ship if they wouldn't be butthurt about this kind of photo. I'm sure US spy satellites have already photographed every external above-water inch of this ship in great detail already. The burning question left in my mind is not the front VLS so much as the back VLS, i.e. zero, two, or four modules, and if four, what arrangement.

Blitzo · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Mysterre said:
This looks a little too detailed to be fake. It's too bad the photographer CGed out the surroundings; I have no idea why the police would get butthurt over the rest of the ship if they wouldn't be butthurt about this kind of photo. I'm sure US spy satellites have already photographed every external above-water inch of this ship in great detail already. The burning question left in my mind is not the front VLS so much as the back VLS, i.e. zero, two, or four modules, and if four, what arrangement.

Agreed it does look far too detailed to be fake, but it seems almost too detailed, it must have been taken by someone working in the shipyard with a decent sized camera, probably on a ship under construction or crane or some kind of structure alongside 052D.

the consistent sound is that the VLS will be placed ala this:

From blurry pics of the 052D's bow, I'd say the depiction is true for the 052D's forward VLS (positioned "lengthways"/vertically)

So for the pic I posted just then, either it was a photo of the forward VLS taken aboard the 052D itself, or someone on something alongside 052D, of the aft VLS positioned "sideways"/horizontally

I'm sure we'll get a clear picture in two or three weeks.

A.Man · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

A Good Video

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kickars · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

archon said:
For 052D, will this ship carry spare missiles beside those 60 tubes. . Is it possible to load missile outside the dock area.

This 052D has 64 missile tubes (32 at the front and 32 at the back). I wonder where they are going to install the ASMs (YJ-62s or 82s)? The gap left in the middle of the ship is a bit too narrow to put all 8 YJ-62 side by side like on 052Cs. The only possible way is to put them face to face like most western ships. But, I'm not sure the current standing angle for YJ-62 or 82 would allowed that. We'll see...

Another thing I noticed is that it only has one hanger in the middle just like 054s (but quite a lot deeper to just carry one aircraft). However, by doing so it creates two extra compartments on each side, which is very similar to the latest Type-23 design. In that design those two compartments can accommodate all sorts of crafts to suit different missions inc. extra UAVs if needed. I guess that proves 052D will be PLAN's multi-task DDG.

Blitzo · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

kickars said:
This 052D has 64 missile tubes (32 at the front and 32 at the back). I wonder where they are going to install the ASMs (YJ-62s or 82s)? The gap left in the middle of the ship is a bit too narrow to put all 8 YJ-62 side by side like on 052Cs. The only possible way is to put them face to face like most western ships. But, I'm not sure the current standing angle for YJ-62 or 82 would allowed that. We'll see...

Actually the new VLS is meant to be able to fire anti ship missiles as well, so YJ-62 and 82 should be compatible. There will end up being no need for slanted launch tubes.

Another thing I noticed is that it only has one hanger in the middle just like 054s (but quite a lot deeper to just carry one aircraft). However, by doing so it creates two extra compartments on each side, which is very similar to the latest Type-23 design. In that design those two compartments can accommodate all sorts of crafts to suit different missions inc. extra UAVs if needed. I guess that proves 052D will be PLAN's multi-task DDG.

The repositioning of the hangar in the centre allows for the RHIBs to be enclosed in a stealthy fashion, like the 054/A, and other modern surface combatants, yes including the type 26 GCS which I think you meant to say.
Truthfully there is nothing to indicate that compartment will be used for anything other than RHIBs that are seen on other PLAN surface combatants at this stage (and those compartments are seperate from the hangar anyway so even if UAVs were placed there they'd have no room to take off or land. UUVs or USVs, maybe)

And multi task DDGs usually refer to DDGs capable of AAW, ASW, surface strike... over time if 052D is capable of carrying long, medium and short ranged SAMs, VLA type weapons, AShMs, LACMs, then yes it would more than qualify as a multi role DDG.

Jeff Head · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:
And multi task DDGs usually refer to DDGs capable of AAW, ASW, surface strike... over time if 052D is capable of carrying long, medium and short ranged SAMs, VLA type weapons, AShMs, LACMs, then yes it would more than qualify as a multi role DDG.

I agree with 100% of this. The Type 052C was actually also a multi-purpose, or multi-task DDG becasue it could cover all three actions...anti-air, anti-surface, and anti-submarine too of course.

The 64 VLS hot cells are a tremendous improvement, not only with more missiles, but with the expected capability to launch various types of missiles out of those tubes. With US vessels, those are capable of being reloarded at sea, but it is a laborious process and outside of war time, and except in training I expect it is almost always done in port.

I still wish there was an FN-3000L missile launcher on the top of the hanger somewhere. I believe that would have just further enhanced the total close in air coverage, overlapping with medium range AAW missiles from the VLS.

Of course, with the capability to quad pack those VLS cells (if they ultimately show they can do so), then those shorter range missiles would cover that just as well perhaps.

All in all a very nice upgrade to the Type 052C. Now they need to byuild a good 12 or so of these vessels.

plawolf · Sep 12, 2012

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jeff Head said:
I agree with 100% of this. The Type 052C was actually also a multi-purpose, or multi-task DDG becasue it could cover all three actions...anti-air, anti-surface, and anti-submarine too of course.

The 64 VLS hot cells are a tremendous improvement, not only with more missiles, but with the expected capability to launch various types of missiles out of those tubes. With US vessels, those are capable of being reloarded at sea, but it is a laborious process and outside of war time, and except in training I expect it is almost always done in port.

I still wish there was an FN-3000L missile launcher on the top of the hanger somewhere. I believe that would have just further enhanced the total close in air coverage, overlapping with medium range AAW missiles from the VLS.

Of course, with the capability to quad pack those VLS cells (if they ultimately show they can do so), then those shorter range missiles would cover that just as well perhaps.

All in all a very nice upgrade to the Type 052C. Now they need to byuild a good 12 or so of these vessels.

Funny you should mention FL3000, because I suspect that is exactly what they will put on the hanger.

If they were going to put a '730 on the hanger, why did they not just install it when the ship was still in the fitting shed like the front '730 was, and all the '730s on all 052Cs built thus far?

Having an FL3000 launcher on the hanger would further enhance the self and fleet defence capabilities of the 052D. The removal of the after VLS from the front of the hanger also frees up significant amounts of room that should be more than enough to accommodate an automatic reload system with spare FL3000 missiles at the front of the hanger.

The US Mk41 can quad pack ESSMs, but that does not negate the benefit of having Searam launchers on USN DDGs.

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