052/052B Class Destroyers

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Krabat1976

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

i.e. said:
China on the other hand is pretty modest in what is it trying to do, and behaving as if its leadership understood cycles of arms race do cause unstable situations. if one measures its behavior with other powers that was up and coming during its day its pretty modest. even factor in all of the hypes.
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This is exactly my point of view, it is confirmed both by acquisition of new navy vessels and, most importantly by overall military spending: while the official number does not include R&D and foreign arms acquisition so it is an underestimation, every single western source, both official and private, estimate the chinese military spending at just 2% of GDP, compared to 3.5-4% of US. This means that unless China GDP double the US size - and it isn't going to happen anytime soon, in fact China is just half-size of US - the chinese military, even if reach the parity with US in term of technological level, would be still constrained by lower military spending and hence it will have reduced numbers of high quality vessels.

Overall the current chinese leadership is focused on economy, obviously they could ramp up the military spending to same % of GDP of US, or US could reduce their military spending, but currently there are no indications of such policy change. Only the leadership change both in US and China in coming months and years will shed lights to the next political course of the two countries.
 
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Krabat1976 said:
This is exactly my point of view, it is confirmed both by acquisition of new navy vessels and, most importantly by overall military spending: while the official number does not include R&D and foreign arms acquisition so it is an underestimation, every single western source, both official and private, estimate the chinese military spending at just 2% of GDP, compared to 3.5-4% of US. This means that unless China GDP double the US size - and it isn't going to happen anytime soon, in fact China is just half-size of US - the chinese military, even if reach the parity with US in term of technological level, would be still constrained by lower military spending and hence it will have reduced numbers of high quality vessels.
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Here lies the (fundamental) problem.
CHina's spending overall can not challenge the pre-eminent hegemon, but on a regional level it may achieve local superiority, at least temporarily. (similar in idea to Germany's North Sea Fleet and GB, but let's keep in perspective.
Chinese navy is still smaller and less capable then that of Japan's (if strategic deterent force is discounted). never mind US+Japan+assorted other countries.)

wether it wants to do that or not is up to debate.
failure to dominate everything means failrue as a dominating power.

But china still has security needs that can not be met by simply having US naval bases in around china richest cities and seal lanes... not while those bases and forces still perform recon (Sonar towing ships and EP-3s for example, 20 miles off coast of china) similar to level of that during cold war, against CCCP.
You can not expect china to sit idly by and do nothing. what do yuo think any self capable and self respecting country to do?

So china builds up a minimum level of security by modernizing its forces. after years of neglect. btw, nearly all of their programs you see today, you see their origins in 90s, but really accelerated after 99.

US on the other hand is also trapped. it can not garantee local superority in forces.not with global comitments. it has either A) scale back which means loss of influence as a hegemonic power or B) build up.
 
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A.Man

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

New Radar (Seeing On Test Ship Bisheng) For Next DDG's

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Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

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The PAR looks flatter and the cover is not curved. Looks like there has been some breakthroughs.
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More importantly it also looks larger (namely wider) than 052C's SAPARS. SAPARS is a rectangle, this thing is like a bloody square.

The fact that it's flatter/thinner, and that there is no curve is consistent with some newer naval APARs being fielded, such as the USN's own SPY-3.

Personally I don't expect this new radar to be fielded on 052D, if 052D is indeed a "derivation" off 052C. The issues the USN has been having with putting AMDR aboard flight 3 burkes is an example to that. Rather, I expect this radar might be for the 10k ton ddg/cg, although seeing it aboard a test ship so early compared to the projected date of launch for the 10k ton ddg is quite unprecedented... hmm
 
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

A.Man said:
New Radar (Seeing On Test Ship Bisheng) For Next DDG's

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Interesting. Looks larger than thePARS on the Lanzhou... I wonder what it is attached to and how much the entire thing weighs as compared to their existing PARS...and particularly the capabilities in comparison.

We'll see where it goes and onto which vessels.
 
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It looks very large, and looks superficially similar to the S band array for AMDR (they're both square and large lol. and grey)

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no_name

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Do you think they will fit this onto their indigenous carrier?

Maybe the previous type 052Cs are mainly for varyag? The new destroyer and the new carrier will both use newer wares.
 
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