052/052B Class Destroyers

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

no_name said:

Do you think they will fit this onto their indigenous carrier?

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No reason they can't. SAPARS has been fitted for varyag, SPY-3 will be fit aboard ford CVNs, SMART L has been used aboard dokdo and will be used for QE class.

Maybe the previous type 052Cs are mainly for varyag? The new destroyer and the new carrier will both use newer wares.

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A generational approach to systems for a carrier and her escorts will probably be incidental. But it's not like varyag will only be escorted by 052Cs and not 052Ds or whatever future surface combatants PLAN develops just to keep a task group consistent.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

A.Man said:

New Radar (Seeing On Test Ship Bisheng) For Next DDG's

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Ha,

Actually I have been saying they they have a new radar in test for some times now but no one believed me.

This is not a product improvement over the PAR on 052C.

14th Institute moves pretty fast.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

i.e. said:

Ha,

Actually I have been saying they they have a new radar in test for some times now but no one believed me.

This is not a product improvement over the PAR on 052C.

14th Institute moves pretty fast.

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Do you mind elaborating a bit more on that? Are you saying it's a completely new radar or not based on 052C's?

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:

The fact that it's flatter/thinner, and that there is no curve is consistent with some newer naval APARs being fielded, such as the USN's own SPY-3.

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The curve is just a dielectric cover that helps with air circulation to improve cooling. They could have made a flat cover for the H/LJG346 as well.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

hmmwv said:

The curve is just a dielectric cover that helps with air circulation to improve cooling. They could have made a flat cover for the H/LJG346 as well.

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That is true (although why are seemingly more recent APARs having flat covers rather than curved ones of the 2000s?)

In that light I suppose there is a possibility this new PAR is just an upscaled type 346... but then one has to wonder why they would need one (isn't varyag's SAPARS panels already bigger than 052C's?), and why would they feel the need to change the cover to a flat one.

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i.e. said:

Ha,

Actually I have been saying they they have a new radar in test for some times now but no one believed me.

This is not a product improvement over the PAR on 052C.

14th Institute moves pretty fast.

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Like cn habs, I ask, do you mean this radar is not an "improved version" of type 346 on 052C? Because logically that is what I'd think too, but I'm wonder if you have any other reason to believe that?

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Yes there has been some heated discussion if that means a new model will undergo testing or just a big slab that covers the hole...but most opinion lean on the side that if they do away with the "bra" (that big cover with cooling units) that'd be indication of significant improvement.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Type 052D ? With similar layout and displacement as the Type 052C. But with improvements made on the AESA radar and the VLS won't be arranged in a revolver like shape but rather in a more conventional arrangement like the Type 054A. There will be 48 VLS in front and about 16 VLS in the back. This ship is supposed to be build along side the seventh Type 052C right now.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

MwRYum said:

Yes there has been some heated discussion if that means a new model will undergo testing or just a big slab that covers the hole...but most opinion lean on the side that if they do away with the "bra" (that big cover with cooling units) that'd be indication of significant improvement.

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The "Bra" is always meant to be as removable for access to the face of the array for maint.

No I don't have more information sorry. All I know is the current in service radar was pretty mature back in 2003-4 frame when they insalled to the first of the class. They spent alot of time before that doing system and shots in SCS.
They haven't sat on their rear end in this mean time.

you can take a guess yuorself how far along they are now.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

MwRYum said:

Yes there has been some heated discussion if that means a new model will undergo testing or just a big slab that covers the hole...but most opinion lean on the side that if they do away with the "bra" (that big cover with cooling units) that'd be indication of significant improvement.

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We know for sure now that it's not just a cover, the rod thing under it is visible, also cooling piping is visible on the side of the housing, when the radar is removed those objects disappear too.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Franklin said:

Type 052D ? With similar layout and displacement as the Type 052C. But with improvements made on the AESA radar and the VLS won't be arranged in a revolver like shape but rather in a more conventional arrangement like the Type 054A. There will be 48 VLS in front and about 16 VLS in the back. This ship is supposed to be build along side the seventh Type 052C right now.

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Those pictures seem a fair representation of what 052D should look like in my mind as of now.

But the pic of this newest PAR imho probably isn't for 052D, if it is indeed very similar to 052C's hull size (as many have speculated). This new radar looks a good chunk larger and seeing how tight currently 346 sits aboard 052C, you'd be hard pressed to fit one on a similar hull without significant structural increases.

We'll see. Now my greatest interest is whether 052D is fielding this new PAR. If it isn't, then I think we can safely assume it is for a new, larger series of surface combatant. If it is... then who knows.