052/052B Class Destroyers

Bltizo said:

to be fair 058 would be considered a cruiser rather than destroyer...

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MwRYum said:

Given these days the distinction between a destroyer and a cruiser is getting very muddled, the can get away with it...bah, the Japanese have the largest collection of "destroyers", which are actually LPH and the like.

So it's all comes down to policies...

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hmmwv said:

The move to Changxing island seriously affected Jiangnan's shipbuilding schedule, and in some ways, capabilities too, as many experienced workers refuse to relocate their families to Changxing, instead they chose to move to other yards such as HD or even the civilian yard Waigaoqiao. From reading people's blog it gives you the impression that the majority of people working there are newly graduated college and technical school students. This batch of 052C may as well be China's first surface combatants built mostly by people with no prior shipbuilding experience. This situation is clearly not ideal, but isn't necessary all bad, those guys are more likely to strictly follow the CAD drawings and are more willing to ask questions instead of overly relying on tribal knowledge.

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asif iqbal said:

That is interesting news about JN shipyard and the construction of the Type 052Cs

the 3rd Type 052C was launched around 18 months ago and is still not commisioned yet, the 4th one has been sitting around for almost a year and still not commisioned yet, i think the actual laying and launching is ok but its the commisoning that is taking ages

if C6 and C7 are launched this year then that means the shipyard has laid and launched 5 Type 052Cs in a space of just 24 months, which isnt a bad under taking, infact that is a very good under taking considering these are pretty big ships with lots of modern equipment

i think they really need to ramp up the commissioning of these vessals

if C7 is launched in 2012 or even early 2013 then C8 will be launched sometime in 2013, which means technically Type 052D could be seen sometime next year, that is if there isnt any gap between the transition from Type 052C>Type 052D

even if it takes C8 18 months to commission its still late 2015, which means Type 052D will be running at full pace, so before 2020 6 can easily be commissioned, but looking at the laying and launching times, all 8 Type 052Ds will probably be nearing completion by end of this decade

16 top of the line destroyers, a very good force, but this depends when we see C6 and C7 launches, anyone got any dates>?

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asif iqbal said:

whoever said to forget the other important variable, or is that just ur baseless assumption?

and commisioning involves testing components, designing, operating, and installing of the systems, to check if it does what its meant to be doing, not so much the "competent crew"

and the training for the crews will probably be from the existing 2 active Type 052Cs, and it will be years after the ship is commissioned before PLAN truely master how to use the ship in the most effective and efficient way, just because a ship is commisioned doesnt automatically mean all the crew comes ready made with it

ex-Varyag will be commisioned, does that mean its ready to exploit its full capabilitys in a integrated battle group?, No

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Bltizo said:

to be fair 058 would be considered a cruiser rather than destroyer...

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Bltizo said:

Regardless, the difference in naming (acknowledging the subjectiveness) is the only reason why the list wouldn't include 058.

There's also the popular consensus that 052D will be a development of 052C (say, compared to a clean sheet design), which could be another reason why neither the new "cruiser" or "frigate" are included.

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SinoSoldier said:

Now, let me ask a simple question here, why is everybody so bought into this Type 058 theory? We don't even know the source of the info and as far as I know the prediction that we saw isn't the only one floating around in the internet.

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SinoSoldier said:

Now, let me ask a simple question here, why is everybody so bought into this Type 058 theory? We don't even know the source of the info and as far as I know the prediction that we saw isn't the only one floating around in the internet.

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