052/052B Class Destroyers
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escobar
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
052D could also be similiar to 052C but with the new vls system
we may have to wait until 2015 to have a complete new DDG (type 055??)
052D could also be similiar to 052C but with the new vls system
we may have to wait until 2015 to have a complete new DDG (type 055??)
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
052D will almost certainly be similar to 052C, with a similar/larger hull and the APAR retained. Everyone's expecting a new common VLS and 130mm gun, I'm hoping for an extra helicopter hangar along with that. Either way, if VLS cells manage to number in the 96 region it'll be in the AB's ballpark rather than type 45/horizon range (inb4 052C hull is "too small" -- check the specs of it vs Burkes) .
It may take many years until we see a brand new DDG from chinese shipyards. People are saying we could see 8 052Ds after the batch of 4/6 052Cs, and unless PLAN wants expensive zumwalt sized cruisers to replace older 052s and 052Bs it might be better to keep building more modern 052Ds. Even the USN is going for a third flight in their arleigh burkes, which will extend the class well into this century.
But it is interesting to think what the "entirely" new class of PLAN surface combatants post 2020 will look like after initial batches of 054B and 052D
052D will almost certainly be similar to 052C, with a similar/larger hull and the APAR retained. Everyone's expecting a new common VLS and 130mm gun, I'm hoping for an extra helicopter hangar along with that. Either way, if VLS cells manage to number in the 96 region it'll be in the AB's ballpark rather than type 45/horizon range (inb4 052C hull is "too small" -- check the specs of it vs Burkes) .
It may take many years until we see a brand new DDG from chinese shipyards. People are saying we could see 8 052Ds after the batch of 4/6 052Cs, and unless PLAN wants expensive zumwalt sized cruisers to replace older 052s and 052Bs it might be better to keep building more modern 052Ds. Even the USN is going for a third flight in their arleigh burkes, which will extend the class well into this century.
But it is interesting to think what the "entirely" new class of PLAN surface combatants post 2020 will look like after initial batches of 054B and 052D
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Engineer
Major
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Would you mind pulling out older pictures of the same area for comparison?
Yep. The question at present, is whether there's actually a difference in the bow shape which this picture seems to imply.
The hull on the left (hall 1 way 1?) seems somewhat wider and a different bow angle but there's no ruling out an optical illusion.
Fingers crossed the difference is real and is there to cater for the D's upgrade from C.
Would you mind pulling out older pictures of the same area for comparison?
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
^^
Can't find exact same photo angles...
From Jeff Head's great site and CDF
Compare with the hull on the left below...
Any difference could just be the photo angle and difference in consturction phase of two hulls.
^^
Can't find exact same photo angles...
From Jeff Head's great site and CDF
Compare with the hull on the left below...
Any difference could just be the photo angle and difference in consturction phase of two hulls.
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Re: Ddg 052d
That 2006 projection was incorrect. What ended up happening was that the new Type 052Cs were constructed instead and that will be talked about in detail in my 2012 update thise week or next.I`m been hearing about this type-52D for some time now. Does anyone know anything about this new destroyer?
For exampel jeffhead is writing that there are allready ships in construction.
"An improved Type 52D version is under construction with eight more projected."
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SinoSoldier
Colonel
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
There was an article that said that it relayed the information from the manufacturer themselves. Apparently the next generation destroyers will displace over 10000 tonnes, are stealthy, will hide weapons internally, and feature a new AShM. There were also rumors that a laser hard kill system will be installed and so will a railgun. If any of those are true, it means that the follow ons will be built in different batches.
There was an article that said that it relayed the information from the manufacturer themselves. Apparently the next generation destroyers will displace over 10000 tonnes, are stealthy, will hide weapons internally, and feature a new AShM. There were also rumors that a laser hard kill system will be installed and so will a railgun. If any of those are true, it means that the follow ons will be built in different batches.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
The US is getting close on the Ford Class Supercarrier to the power requirements for those types of weapons but only because the new generation reactors in those vessels will be well over 200% more powerful (in terms of electrical generation) than the Nimitz Class.
The new Zumwalt class DDGs are supposed to get there...but only by adding the next generation, as yet undeveloped conventional power system to their integrated power system on that vessel...IOW, for conventional vessels in the states, its not there yet either.
Unless I see a radical change in the power system...the engines...that the PLAN supplies for the next destroyer (or any other vessel for that matter), something none of us have heard about in terms of being in production (or even close from what I have heard) then the railgun and the laser will not be there.
The US is getting close on the Ford Class Supercarrier to the power requirements for those types of weapons but only because the new generation reactors in those vessels will be well over 200% more powerful (in terms of electrical generation) than the Nimitz Class.
The new Zumwalt class DDGs are supposed to get there...but only by adding the next generation, as yet undeveloped conventional power system to their integrated power system on that vessel...IOW, for conventional vessels in the states, its not there yet either.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Agreed -- any chinese vessel with laser type DE weapons will not appear until the 2020s imo.
I don't think any of us are under the illusions 052D will mount rail guns or lasers, and I would be impressed if it can reach 10k tons in displacement either. But for the DDG/CG class which will follow 052D production probably in the 2020s (if PLAN decides to go for such a force composition) we might see a few surface combatants produced in the 15k ton range with the technology we've seen on zumwalt (integrated mast, advanced power management etc). For me PLAN of 2020-2030 will have half dozen or less "heavy hitter" cruisers complimented by mass produced destroyer/frigates as the mainstay force, in the 6k ton range with similar capabilities of horizon/FREMM.
But I digress -- the main point is the only thing we know about 052D is it will arrive, and probably feature a new gun and VLS from 052C. Lasers, railguns are wetdreams and details like "hiding weapons internally" are equally sketchy.
Agreed -- any chinese vessel with laser type DE weapons will not appear until the 2020s imo.
I don't think any of us are under the illusions 052D will mount rail guns or lasers, and I would be impressed if it can reach 10k tons in displacement either. But for the DDG/CG class which will follow 052D production probably in the 2020s (if PLAN decides to go for such a force composition) we might see a few surface combatants produced in the 15k ton range with the technology we've seen on zumwalt (integrated mast, advanced power management etc). For me PLAN of 2020-2030 will have half dozen or less "heavy hitter" cruisers complimented by mass produced destroyer/frigates as the mainstay force, in the 6k ton range with similar capabilities of horizon/FREMM.
But I digress -- the main point is the only thing we know about 052D is it will arrive, and probably feature a new gun and VLS from 052C. Lasers, railguns are wetdreams and details like "hiding weapons internally" are equally sketchy.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
The Russians are considering building a "nuclear powered destroyer". If it is built it will probably be the largest surface combatants in the Russian navy besides the Kirovs and Admiral Kuznetsovs. That will provide enough power for such defenses, no?
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I doubt the PLA would go for anything further than 10K tons. Cruisers are not meant for modern day warfare with things such as anti-ship missiles and radars. Unless a shortage of crew, I don't see why having less ships with bigger tonnage is more effective than having more ships with less tonnage each.
The Russians are considering building a "nuclear powered destroyer". If it is built it will probably be the largest surface combatants in the Russian navy besides the Kirovs and Admiral Kuznetsovs. That will provide enough power for such defenses, no?
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I doubt the PLA would go for anything further than 10K tons. Cruisers are not meant for modern day warfare with things such as anti-ship missiles and radars. Unless a shortage of crew, I don't see why having less ships with bigger tonnage is more effective than having more ships with less tonnage each.