052/052B Class Destroyers

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

I think PLAN already has built up a pretty good track record with Type 071, Type 052C and Type 054/054A

Type 052C has been operating since 2004
Type 054 since 2005
Type 071 since 2007

5 years minimum individualy and also in co-ordination with each other during operations overseas, in addition they have only streamlined mass production of these ships in the last few years which means they must have waited to fully master them before making more of them

i think PLAN sailors and sea men are pretty well seasoned and in good shape, with lots of experience and proficiency, I mean the crews must be good if they are using ASEA on Type 052C which is a formidable ship by itself

i think by 2015-2018 PLAN will be a very advanced naval force with new ships and highly trained crews to go with them, 2nd only to USN

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:

At first I thought they were different hulls, but if you check their anchor holes you can see they are identical, and the seemingly different shapes are from a slight disprecancy in height, which could be attributed to being in slightly different stages of construction.

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Chinese surface combatant's bow is manufactured as a module before it's mated with other hull modules on the final assembly line. So what we see in the picture will most likely resemble its final shape.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Few Minutes Of 052B Video

[video]http://military.cntv.cn/program/jsbd/20120114/117966.shtml[/video]

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Few Minutes Of 052B Video

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

hmmwv said:

Chinese surface combatant's bow is manufactured as a module before it's mated with other hull modules on the final assembly line. So what we see in the picture will most likely resemble its final shape.

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Yep. The question at present, is whether there's actually a difference in the bow shape which this picture seems to imply.



The hull on the left (hall 1 way 1?) seems somewhat wider and a different bow angle but there's no ruling out an optical illusion.
Fingers crossed the difference is real and is there to cater for the D's upgrade from C.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

asif iqbal said:

i think by 2015-2018 PLAN will be a very advanced naval force with new ships and highly trained crews to go with them, 2nd only to USN

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That might be an overestimation of the PLAN relative to others. The Western European colonizing countries, the Japanese, the South Koreans... all have very significant and capable naval forces. I'm not so familiar with the Indian navy, Australia, and countries in South America, but I would imagine they're no slouches either. The PLAN is catching up from a very low point.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

asif iqbal said:

I think by 2015-2018 PLAN will be a very advanced naval force with new ships and highly trained crews to go with them, 2nd only to USN

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MOst of what you say is absolutely true...but this last is probably off by a number of years.

The Japanese JMSDF has fifty majopr, modern surface combatants (DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, and CVHs) and they are VERY good, with six AEGIS DDGs. They also have a very good SSK sub force. South Korea is smaller in numbers but equally well versed.

The UK and France too...though their numbers have decreased, their DDGs, FFGs and SSNs are all top flight.

The PLAN is growing in numbers and modern vessels, but they still have a ways to go before they have the decades of practical experience using them that these other nations have. Italy and Spain are also very good BTW. For that matter, the German NAvy is no push over either...or the Russians for that matter, though their ability to train regularly these last few years has been seriously curtailed.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

In purely quantitative terms, number of hulls and probably total displacement, PLAN will be second only to the USN by the end of this decade. Tonnagewise, the Russians may still have an edge, in view of their fairly numerous big surface ships and submarines.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jeff Head said:

MOst of what you say is absolutely true...but this last is probably off by a number of years.

The Japanese JMSDF has fifty majopr, modern surface combatants (DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, and CVHs) and they are VERY good, with six AEGIS DDGs. They also have a very good SSK sub force. South Korea is smaller in numbers but equally well versed.

The UK and France too...though their numbers have decreased, their DDGs, FFGs and SSNs are all top flight.

The PLAN is growing in numbers and modern vessels, but they still have a ways to go before they have the decades of practical experience using them that these other nations have. Italy and Spain are also very good BTW. For that matter, the German NAvy is no push over either...or the Russians for that matter, though their ability to train regularly these last few years has been seriously curtailed.

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yes i agree, many nations are building up thier navys and at a fast pace but i was thinking in terms of numbers for PLAN with increasing sophistication

take example for UK, they are replacing all thier Type 42 destoyers with half as many Type 45 destroyers, with the 6th and final one finishing out its fitting

thier old 13 Type 23 frigates are to be replaced with new Type 26 frigates but not until 2020, and that is if ministry of defence doesnt cut further funding which may see the numbers drop further like what happened with 7th and 8th Type 45 cancellation

thier 3 Invincible-class aircraft carriers are being replaced with 2 65,000 tonne Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers last one to be inducted in 2018

so RN looks like this ~2018

6 Type 45 destroyers
13 Type 23 frigates (replaced after 2020)
2 aircraft carriers
2 LPDs (HMS ambion and Bulwark)
1 LHD (HMS Ocean)

for sub-surface fleet the 6 Trafalgar-class submarines are being replaced with 7 Astute class subamarines very slowly

it looks like PLAN can make a destroyer and 2 frigates each year but its hard to predict far ahead but even by 2015

10 Type 052C/D destroyers (2+4+4)
18 Type 054/54A/54A+ frigates (2+16)
4 confirmed Type 071 LPDs (but could easily have another 4 by 2018) total 8
ex-Varyag aircraft carrier
LHD (since the front page of a military magazine showned a LHD PLAN must have something in the works)
also a indigenous carrier in service by 2018

so this is easily more than Royal Navy and France

for Japan I am not sure what they have planned but yes as of today they have a formidable naval force no doubt

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

PanAsian said:

That might be an overestimation of the PLAN relative to others. The Western European colonizing countries, the Japanese, the South Koreans... all have very significant and capable naval forces. I'm not so familiar with the Indian navy, Australia, and countries in South America, but I would imagine they're no slouches either. The PLAN is catching up from a very low point.

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Maybe so but where economy lead normally the military will follow. See America won the WWII not because American tank or ship are the best far from it. But because the American economy can produced thousand of ships and tanks with no problem. Quantity is quality by its own.

They way I see it Europe will mired in economic stagnation for decade to come . Japan will spend billion to recover from the tsunami and nuclear disaster. They will busy just to keep their citizen getting killed by poisonous radioactive.

Korea well Korea never amount to anything in history actually in judging by their performance in Korean war where they were slaughtered by the Chinese.

India can only built 3 New delhi class destroyer and 3 Brahmaputra frigatesfrom 1980-1990. The much publicize Kolkatta air defense ship still languishing in Kochin after 10 years . It took shivlik 10 years to finish just 1 ships

As to US they will start implementing the 1 trillion budget cut in year to come. The present sky high defense spending is not sustainable when school in Philadelphia closed due to lack of funding

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:

Yep. The question at present, is whether there's actually a difference in the bow shape which this picture seems to imply.

The hull on the left (hall 1 way 1?) seems somewhat wider and a different bow angle but there's no ruling out an optical illusion.
Fingers crossed the difference is real and is there to cater for the D's upgrade from C.

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Is it possible that the D will be the larger Luzhou and Arleigh Burke equivalent?