052/052B Class Destroyers

antiterror13

Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Hello gentlemen, this is my first post. My question is, does anyone think the chinese navy will exercise the option they for the 2 more sovremenny destroyers from russia?

China has done it, China has already 2 old + 2 improved Sovrremenny .

I don't see China will buy another Sovr from Russia, in fact I don't see China would but ship, jet fighter from Russia anymore. In some aspects, China is already more advanced than Russia
 

cn_habs

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Hello gentlemen, this is my first post. My question is, does anyone think the chinese navy will exercise the option they for the 2 more sovremenny destroyers from russia?

Those vessels had some deterrence to CVG groups back then because of the anti ship missiles. It is no longer the case.

Most Russian electronics are ridiculously obsolete compared with their Western counterparts so unless you can't make it yourself, there's barely any other need to buy Russian.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Russia is still ahead in engine manufacturing though, which is why China is buying hundreds of Russian engines for its J-10 fleet.
 

Lion

Senior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Russia is still ahead in engine manufacturing though, which is why China is buying hundreds of Russian engines for its J-10 fleet.

That is already changing.. The amount of engines China bought from Russian is only enough to replace the old engines.. The new airframe like J-11B/BSH and J-15 are using WS-10A.
 

RedMercury

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

re: Geographer: We need people like you to keep panda fearmongers complacent. Thanks for your efforts!
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Hello gentlemen, this is my first post. My question is, does anyone think the chinese navy will exercise the option they for the 2 more sovremenny destroyers from russia?
Well, 1st, I think they already exercised that option as they have all four now...I did not hear that there was an option for anymore beyond that.

But, beyond that, I don't think there is a need now. Those were stop gaps while the PLAN developed its own modern surface combatants. Now, with the Type 052Cs being produced in numbers (4 built and two more building) and with whatever follows them, and with the Type 054As to compliment them, the PLAN has moved on from that need. (Not to mention the two Type 052Bs and two Type 051Cs)

The next class of 052Cs will be interesting to see when they start being built.

Right now,, with ex-Varyag in trials and the moderne destroyers already a part of the various fleets, while the new Type 052Cs are inducted and commissioned, IMHO they really have no need to buy more Russian vessels.
 

luhai

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

A.Man, if you start BS like this, we are going nowhere.

You do aware what F-22 being nicknamed to 爱抚娘娘 means to (better not translate here), right? Curse didn't work at a confident armed force, not US, and you bet not the PLA created by Mao Zedong.

Dining table chit-chat is one thing, the working spirit of a highly motivated armed forces is another.

Dude, calm down. He's just point out why of 04 numbers are avoided a which is valid answer to franco-russe's question. (despite has nothing to do with type 52)
The Kidd class DDG are 1801, 1802, 1803 and 1805, the Perry class 1101, 1103, 1105, 1106 , etc., the La Fayette class 1202, 1203, 1205, 1206, 1207, 1208.

But it is only 04 that is avoided. 554, 614, 934 are evidently OK.
 

mig31

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Both Jane's and Wiki say that China holds the option for two additional project 956em destroyers, in addition to the four already built. Are the anti ship missiles on the type 052c destroyers as potent as the sunburns on the Sovremenny? I'm still learning about the PLAN navy's new ships and how capable they are.
I take it the 052c's are the most modern destroyers in the PLAN inventory? Are they in serial production? Will their next destroyers be in the 10000 tonn range?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

In terms of raw power and individual missile success rate, the sunburn is almost certainly significantly superior. What the YJ62s of the 052C pack is far superior range, and is likely to be significantly cheaper, with a sea skimming flight profile that minimizes reaction time for the enemy whereas the sunburns fly a great deal higher.

The PLAN did indeed by the Sovs as 'carrier kills', but the scenario for which they were purchased - USN carriers sailing brazenly through the Taiwan Strait, no longer exists.

The Sovs are a bit of a one trick pony, but with the short range of the sunburns, it's really hard to imagining they having any chance of getting close enough to an enemy carrier to have a pop.

The PLAN's anti-carrier tactics and strategy has since developed into reliance on massed saturation attacks launched from land based fighters (JH7As and MK2s), bombers (improved H6s) and FACs (Type 022s).

The ships also seem to be plagued with aged systems and reliability issues which has seen the Sovs pretty much permanently tied up at port and only dragged out for the odd high profile event or exercise. It is telling that pretty much every modern PLAN destroyer type has taken part in anti-piracy patrols except the Sovs.

If armed conflict breaks out, the Sovs will probably only be called up to provide escort duties for PLAN task groups with their Shlit/Buk missiles and to add an extra helo to ASW operations.

Officially, it will also serve an anti-surface role, but it would be hard to seeing much being able to get past the C802s (which also have many times the range of the Sunburns) that the rest of the PLAN fleet will be packing for the Sovs, or indeed needing to get close enough to the PLAN fleet to give them any chance to fire off any of their sunburns.

The Sovs have become a massive white elephant project for the PLAN, and there is no way they will want to buy more of them. Hell, the PLAN will probably snap your hand off if you offered them a good price to buy their existing Sovs off them.

Regarding the 052Cs, well yes, they are the current best of the line ships the PLAN has, and they are in batch production, with 2 of the current batch of 4 in the water.

These will not be produced in the numbers close to the 054As, but it remains to be seen if the PLAN will order more batches of 052Cs or move on to their next generation DDG design, whatever that may be.
 

joshuatree

Captain
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

The Sovs have become a massive white elephant project for the PLAN, and there is no way they will want to buy more of them. Hell, the PLAN will probably snap your hand off if you offered them a good price to buy their existing Sovs off them.

I would say this only makes sense if being sold to a country that won't pose a threat to PLAN itself. Not to mention the new owner being able to procure Sunburn replacements if used. Otherwise, imagine the NK navy getting the Sovs, what mischievous fun that would be.
 
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