00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[BoraTas]

The question is, how much insight can be gained from a sister ship to the Fujian.

This question is exactly why I was saying that the 4th one will be nuclear-powered for 1.5 years. Fujian is already a huge leap for China. It is the first carrier that is designed from scratch in China. It is also 30%+ heavier than the Shandong and has catapults. The 004 will likely be bigger by ~20% and will have nuclear propulsion. IMO this is a smaller leap than the leap between Shandong and Fujian. I don't think there is a need to build another conventional carrier. A carrier can't be rushed, therefore urgency is a weak argument too.

 

[H2O]

Have this Pop3 character ever defined what "active work in progress" means? Does the design phase qualify as "active work in progress"? If so, it could be a decade before we see the Type 004.

 

[vincent]

Makes no sense for China to acquire CVN in the next ten years since the main theatre for PLAN is the West Pac. Conventional carriers have much higher readiness rate and can be deployed in a short period when in maintenance.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Makes no sense for China to acquire CVN in the next ten years since the main theatre for PLAN is the West Pac. Conventional carriers have much higher readiness rate and can be deployed in a short period when in maintenance.

Also by not building CVN yet China can more effectively push back against the China threat narrative by demonstrating that it doesn't have ambitions for global power projection.

 

[antiterror13]

Also by not building CVN yet China can more effectively push back against the China threat narrative by demonstrating that it doesn't have ambitions for global power projection.

I don't think China care about that .. whatever China do, there is always Western politicians an medias spin it to bad/wrong thing .. so who cares what the Westerner politicians and medias say

 

[TK3600]

Pop3 said the "004 nuclear powered forum is ongoing"?

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I don't think China care about that .. whatever China do, there is always Western politicians an medias spin it to bad/wrong thing .. so who cares what the Westerner politicians and medias say

It's still beneficial to debunk the West and gain more influence and support in the rest of the world. But more so China should conduct a careful cost benefit analysis to determine the proportion of CVN and convention carriers in its future force structure. Tyranny of distance works to China's advantage in securing Chinese interests in the most relevant parts of the world.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Unless there's something inherently wrong with 003's design or propulsion I honestly don't see the urgency and rush to make the next one a CVN.
I think 2 CVs is much better suited for PLAN in the forseeabke future as they hone thier skillset operating a full flat deck carrier while also adequately offer practical, power projection goals and availability.
With 4 carriers, PLAN will always have at least one at sea, with the other being able to deploy in a very short amount of time.
I also dont see PLAN carriers home ported in some faraway base. It'll spend most of it's time at sea in the WestPac with the occasional jaunt to Indian ocean, Persian Gulf etc.
.... Then 005 can be like a Ford class CVN.

 

[han1289]

It's still beneficial to debunk the West and gain more influence and support in the rest of the world. But more so China should conduct a careful cost benefit analysis to determine the proportion of CVN and convention carriers in its future force structure. Tyranny of distance works to China's advantage in securing Chinese interests in the most relevant parts of the world.

I would think a CVN capable of sailing anywhere in the world would help gain more influence and support.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I would think a CVN capable of sailing anywhere in the world would help gain more influence and support

There is no doubt that eventually China should procure CVNs. What can be debated is whether or not China should also continue to invest in conventional CATOBAR CVs, and when and to what extent China should invest in CVNs. I wonder if there is any data as to the differences in procurement, operational, and lifetime costs of CVNs vs conventional carriers to help better assess whether procuring both types of carriers make sense.