09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Totoro

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Way too small number China now has 181 satellite in orbit and most of them are dual use satellite. The Indian use strictly military satellite in their simulation

According to this outdated website 50 satellite of know military and civilian data is from 2014 just add 20 more for 2016

Chinese govt and commercial entities indeed operate 180ish satellites. But I was refering to useful imaging satellites. So no communications sats, no navigation sats, no meteorological sats (way too low resolution), no sats in GEO orbits (aside for gaofen 4, which too is really too low res), no elint sats and generally no sats below a few hundred kg in mass. There has been an increase in launch of various micro and mini satellites, sometimes several at once with one rocket, but they're really not useful for the kind of monitoring we're talking about here. (decent optical sats weigh over 2 tons)

When you count all those, one gets 40-ish satellites. Without going into details on all of them, so maybe some more of those are of too low resolution, but plausibly they could be useful. Mind you, 40-ish satellites is a huge figure. US (together with commercial ones) is owner of some 70ish satellites of similar class, and Russia has 18 or so.
 

kent

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These depictions of the "Type 095A" SSN are from the "Warship Knowledge" magazine, which is supposedly a reputable source with direct ties to the China Shipbuilding Engineering Society. This would be, if the aforementioned are valid, the first official admittance of the Type 095's existence.

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This speculated image of 095A is from the concept of Russian 5th generation multipurpose nuc submarine witch designed by the Krylov Shipbuilding Research Institute in 2005-2006.
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But I wonder if 095 looks like this.....
 

kent

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These depictions of the "Type 095A" SSN are from the "Warship Knowledge" magazine, which is supposedly a reputable source with direct ties to the China Shipbuilding Engineering Society. This would be, if the aforementioned are valid, the first official admittance of the Type 095's existence.

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this speculated image of 095 is from the concept of russian 5th gen multipurpose nuc submarine design by
This recent sketch is identical to an older artwork. I am wondering whether this is a deliberate leak similar to the 2007 J-20 leak which turned out to be pretty close to the final thing:

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This speculated image is from the concept of Russian 5th generation multipurpose nuc submarine which designed by the Krylov Shipbuilding Research Institute in 2005-2006.
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But I will be very delighted if 095/096 actually looks like it .
 

FORBIN

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How do we know this is a new variant rather than the 094A? Both 094A + B have curved sails that become flush with the deck.

I can't say but remains possible 094 or 094A is the same variant the first ... very rare weapons/armament get it but exist.
so in this case the B is the 2nd variant only a theory...
Never see 094B so for me right now 094 and 094A nah :p
 

davidau

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re # 896...

The 094 modified ( 094B?) is reported to be already in service...
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the front of the conning tower is more rounded......

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These submarines has an underwater displacement of about 11,000 tons, carrying 12 or 16 JL-2 ballistic missiles.....

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..comparison of the 094 and the 094 modified (094B?)...
 

Hendrik_2000

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From Skywatcher blog. Yes they need to produced type 94A as many as possible in a hurry And complete those SCS base ASAP!

CHINA'S NEW BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINE COULD CHANGE ITS PROSPECTS IN NUCLEAR WAR
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IT'S STEALTHIER, WITH A RANGE LONG ENOUGH TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES FROM CHINESE WATERS.

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In the Deep Tropical Seas
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The Type 094A, China's newest nuclear missile submarine, is currently based at Hainan Island, in the underground submarine base at Yulin. It's under the protection of the South Seas Fleet.

New photos of China's latest nuclear ballistic missile submarine, the "Jin" Type 094A, hints at a much-improved vessel—one that is larger, with a more pronounced "hump" rear of the sail that lets it carry 12 submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

First seen in late November 2016, the Type 094A differs from the previous four Type 094 SSBNs, what with its curved conning tower and front base that's blended into the submarine hull, possibly to reduce hydrodynamic drag. The Type 094A's conning tower has also removed its windows. Additionally, the Type 094A has a retractable towed array sonar (TAS) mounted on the top of its upper tailfin, which would make it easier for the craft to "listen" for threats and avoid them.

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Covert Shores

Old and New

The newer Type 094A (top) has a bigger missile payload bay and stealthier features. While an improvement over the Type 094 SSBN, it's still a stopgap feature until the next generation Type 096 comes online.

While the original Type 094 is considered to be nosier (and thus less survivable) than its American counterpart (known, by the way, as the Ohio SSBN), the Type 094A is likely to include acoustic quieting technologies found on the Type 093A. More importantly, the Type 094A carries a new submarine-launched ballistic missile (speculated to be the JL-2A), which has a 11,200-kilometer range—a significant improvement from its predecessor missiles.

Provided the JL-2A has this kind of range, the new missile could reach virtually the entire United States without leaving the heavily defended Yulin Naval Base (itself complete with underground shelters and docks for submarines) in Hainan Island.

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Hyperwarpd

The Future of Tsunamis

The JL-2 (JL stands for the Mandarin word for "Big Wave) submarine-launched ballistic missile is based on the DF-31. Longer ranged variants, like this putative JL-2C variant, can carry multiple nuclear warheads with global reach.

This vessel's ability to reach global targets while lurking in heavily defended coastal waters will significantly boost China's second strike capability (that is, the ability of a nuclear power to launch a retaliatory nuclear attack even after suffering a devastating conventional or nuclear attack).

Previously, this tech was not considered very survivable, due to the combination of shortcomings in anti-submarine warfare technology, noisy nuclear propulsion technology, and insufficient range. China's improved submarine launched second strike capability is part of a boarder Chinese strategic modernization that includes early warning satellites, long-range missile defenses, stealth bombers, and heavy ICBMs.
 
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