You can look at it from another prospective: even if very unpleasant politically - China ultimately made it with 1st gen SSBN as more of a test vessel.
Superpowers paid high price to make their 1st gen nuclear boats operational immediately.
09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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Superpowers paid high price to make their 1st gen nuclear boats operational immediately.
Author Kyle Mizokami he is of what nationality and for Dave Majumdar ?
149dB Human lungs and breathing begins vibrating to the sound
150dB Loud rock concert, at speakers
150dB Sensation of being compressed as if underwater
One thing I had always wanted to ask you, the sound level of a 150db, what are the standards based on. For example a hi fi speaker sensitivity is based on measuring its loudness by a microphone placed a meter away with the power of 1watt. As you can see from the above chart at 150db the sound level would be deafening and the crew of the sub would all walk away after a patrol deaf I reckon, cheers.
It's not their Nationality that we're concerned with, it's their professional background, journalistic integrity and pass track record that are suspect and fall well short.
All of their articles have been based on poor research/false information, often used intentionally, to paint a false picture to suit their biased agenda and narrative; whether it derives from a bigotry view of anything Chinese or out of sheer ignorance - that I don't know.
As mentioned before by other posters, the National Interest does sometimes contain good articles (even if biased) by professionals such as Lyle J. Goldstein and James Holmes - but it is often the likes of Mizokami and Majumdar that writes with ridiculous sensational headlines (but have zero substance) which grabs the most attention.
If you want reliable, unbiased and well researched sources on Chinese military development, many of our fellow SinoDefenceForum brothers here have their own content, here are some examples:
Henry Kenhmann of EastPendulum:
Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer of Eastern Arsenal:
Huitong's Chinese Military Aviation:
Blitzo's PLA RealTalk:
People on this forum are most likely biased toward Chinese military. Chinese nuclear submarines have been reported as very noisy. Whether or not that changes with the most recent 093B or 094A submarine, we don't know, but it's perfectly fine for any member on this forum to continue to think that Chinese nuclear subs are noisy. Until data on the newer generation subs come out, we simply don't know.
In this case you confirm.
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Blackstone
Brigadier
Well said, Feng. There's no doubt in my mind Chinese submarine engineering has made many advances, and PLAN's newest SSNs/SSBNs are more capable and less noisy. But, until we see some data from highly reliable sources, like official China sources, or declassified foreign intelligence estimates, we should be guarded.
Seriously yet when you see Deino with serial numbers ... so for submarines !!! they provide almost nothing or about...
Blackstone
Brigadier
Why would you want biased reporting? Wouldn't it be more rational to see things as they really are and not how one wished they are, while at the same time be willing to change your positions based on facts?
I understand people's biases perfectly well, and it's all well and good for people to express different opinions; I did not say anything to the contrary.
I also disagree with you that it's reasonable to think that just because we don't have official sources for noise levels of the most recent 093B or 094A submarines, we assume it has similar noise levels as the Type 092 based on early 1980s Chinese tech - from over 30 years ago, especially as submarine noise levels are one of the most closely guarded military secrets. Just because we're all allowed to have opinions doesn't mean that I can't argue the illogic of the assertion.
But my post was not about submarine noise levels, nor did I mention submarines, but rather to address a reoccurring theme across the whole forum that comes up again and again - to distinguish between well researched content based on reliable sources, and rubbish headline pieces with no substance to push a particular narrative.
It's an insult for the intelligent reader as well as the people who actually put in the time and effort to ensure the quality of their content.
Like stated if you believe Mizokami and Majumdar are good sources and Lyle Goldstein and James Holmes are biased towards China then we will have to agree to disagree.