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Overbom

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muddie said:
Not to mention it's always important to hear what the opponent is saying and thinking. Even though a lot of what Blinken said is planned and scripted, it still provides insight on U.S.'s strategy towards China and what the next move will be. Cutting off all communications also means losing out on valuable intel.

That being said, I think the Chinese side is pretty clear on refusing to establish military to military communications and dialogue with Lloyd Austin. That is a separate issue where U.S. is essentially trying to get China to accept rules of military engagement (e.g. pushing China while at the same time telling China not to respond).

It's ironic the U.S. even mentioned their military to military communications with the USSR during the cold war, cause they are trying to get China to play the same game.
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The mil-mil dialogue, along with the guardrails proposal, is a trap that China should stay out of.

Americans want to talk to their Chinese counterparts to gauge what is their public and private (real) red line and then they will comfortably start doing all sorts of things to sling mud on China's face because they would know that they haven't touched China's (real) private red line.

By refusing such communications, China is leaving the US at the dark and is basically daring the US to do whatever it wants with the expectation that Chinese responses wil be unpredictable, a "normal" face slapping operation against China could easily result in the PLA swarming the area and escalating it at a moment's notice.

The US military, stretched as it is, doesn't like this kind of unpredictability and it would be impossible to start its usual constant face slapping operations because it would have to have significant backup forces on place everytime incase China escalates.

That's why mil-mil dialogue and guardrails are a trap. If the US is feeling so courageous and stronk, no problem, let them start doing things if they dare to leave the initiative to China on when to escalate.
 
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TK3600

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Overbom said:
The mil-mil dialogue, along with the guardrails proposal, is a trap that China should stay out of.

Americans want to talk to their Chinese counterparts to gauge what is their public and private (real) red line and then they will comfortably start doing all sorts of things to sling mud on China's face because they would know that they haven't touched China's (real) private red line.

By refusing such communications, China is leaving the US at the dark and is basically daring the US to do whatever it wants with the expectation that Chinese responses wil be unpredictable, a "normal" face slapping operation against China could easily result in the PLA swarming the area and escalating it at a moment's notice.

The US military, stretched as it is, doesn't like this kind of unpredictability and it would be impossible to start its usual constant face slapping operations because it would have to have significant backup forces on place everytime incase China escalates.

That's why mil-mil dialogue and guardrails are a trap. If the US is feeling so courageous and stronk, no problem, let them start doing things if they dare to leave the initiative to China on when to escalate.
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Yeah, I said the same thing. The best guard rail is to stop fuck around. If they actually desire not to fuck around and find out, then best not to push the limit in first place. But we all know what the real answer to that was.
 
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luminary

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It would've been a pretty big insult if Xi met with Bill Gates (merely an important US citizen) and not with Blinken.

Xi met Blinken for 35 minutes. That's longer than a handshake or a side chat, but short enough to still make clear that this meeting was intended to be largely ceremonial and relationship-rebuilding rather than substantive. There’s not a lot of time for anything else than reading out prepared statements of position and having a few photos. Blinken had his 7.5 hours yesterday to make his points.
 
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getready

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GZDRefugee said:
Well if you're interested...

This here is a highly BASED and informative podcast on SK's circumstances.

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Thanks. That’s a lot of content of hours podcast. Not sure if I have the time to listen everything but thanks anyway
bettydice said:
I think your view is wrong. "Sometimes the polling questions can be very misleading. It does not differentiate the type of disapproval." This. This doesn't work in your or China's favor. Polls can't even catch their raw sentiment and hysteria full scale.

"Are SKns negative view of china the same as theirs towards Japan?"
No, not the same, it's worse. Why? Because SKoreans well know that Japan is an ignorable, neutered vassal that is on a leash by their same master U.S. and can't do a thing without a U.S. approval. Japan has limited potential and has no chance projecting power and influence to the world like China is doing now.
Their whole "Korean unique" ethnic identity and prides are Chinese (not Japanese). Their fragile national ego conflicts with China.
All those "colonized, raped their comfort women and suppressed their culture" things are the things of the past. You shouldn't count on those things. The China problem is the present they're seeing and feeling and the future.

The number of foreign students have nothing to do with this kind of matter. It does not make any difference at all where they are or where they live. SKoreans go to ANY other countries more than Japanese. Also the Japanese society does not have strong gender discord unlike SKorea. Tons? You definitely haven't seen what real tons of videos are on YouTube. Besides, I remind you that YouTube as a U.S. company that respects diversity censors hatred, violence and bullying.
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ah that’s fine, we agree to disagree. I believe we already disagreed on this topic before anyway so this is not new. I don’t live in SK and never interviewed personally each and everyone or the majority of population there. So I might be wrong. Then again I dun think you did either so that is that. My opinion of these polls is the same as before. I dun trust them that much. I trust them as much as used car salesmen.
However your dismissing of the Japanese war crimes and their long standing deep effects on the Korean psyche and their emotions is very strange. We all know how tiny events can reopen old wounds on their past. Modern Koreans can ignore it during practicalities of living day by day but these things dun magically go away. They may be compartmentalized but it does not go away. Or elseNanking and 731 and the likes would have long been forgotten.
We seen this with US trying for decades to get Japan and SK, their vassal states to get over it but it’s not happening. Especially as Japan has steadfastly refused to sincerely and completely apologize for their atrocities.
I don’t know wat you are on YouTube censorship regarding the videos I watched of South Koreans in china documenting their lives but they are no where close to the treatment of xinjiang videos there. And Xinjiang videos even get much more views and likes.
Anyway you can be more pessimistic about Chinese and South Korean person to person interactions and relations in the future. that’s definitely fine. I’m definitely more rosy about it.
 
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getready

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luminary said:
It would've been a pretty big insult if Xi met with Bill Gates (merely an important US citizen) and not with Blinken.

Xi met Blinken for 35 minutes. That's longer than a handshake or a side chat, but short enough to still make clear that this meeting was intended to be largely ceremonial and relationship-rebuilding rather than substantive. There’s not a lot of time for anything else than reading out prepared statements of position and having a few photos. Blinken had his 7.5 hours yesterday to make his points.
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That 7hours plus meeting yesterday still boggles my mind. What the heck Qin have the patience to sit through that and listen to blinken lying and nonsense
 
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