Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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AndrewS

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Ron DeSantis, current Florida governor, a former Trump protege, is more popular.

Ron copied Trump's style, but is considered a slightly more polished turd than Trump (e.g. more 'civilized' or professional).

In fact, ever since Ron became more popular than Trump, Trump is salty about it. "I BUILT HIM!" lol.

Well, remember the polls show DeSantis as the frontrunner only if Trump doesn't run.

But the point is that Trump (or a Trump successor) will likely win in 2024.

And they will likely tear up any agreements that Biden signs.

So who can trust any agreement that the current administration signs?
 
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Agnus

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I do think Biden did want to ease tensions with China and come to sort of a ''vague truce'' so he could focus on his domestic agenda. If China was willing to buy some US debt or something. But, if this was some kind of good deal for both parties. China knows that any promises made by Biden even if it is under good faith will be reversed by a future Trump like figure. So, there was no point into giving Biden's demands. That level of trust from the Obama years is gone forever. Trumpian way of handing of China will be the norm. Biden's presidency will be merely the stopgap towards this transition.
 

AndrewS

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That's why China shouldn't be sitting around to wait and see. Time to deny China from the US like they're trying to do now vice versa so it starts hurting the US before the next Presidential election.

Wait and see what?

We can already see China is preparing itself for Trump policies to get even worse in 2024.
So we see technology decoupling, financial decoupling, a military buildup, etc

But if there is a peaceful environment for the next 15 years, China will continue growing.
By then, China will likely be immune to anything that the USA tries to do.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Ivanka will be an improvement on both Donald and Biden and will be superior to Harris by miles.
In what world is she going to be better than Sleepy Joe and Loser Trump and cackling Harris? I am not aware of Ivanka Trump’s supposed genius in business, policies, political acumen or even actual real life accomplishments other than marrying that robot looking boy man Kushner.
 

Overbom

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I do think Biden did want to ease tensions with China
I call bs on that. Here is Blinken saying that he agreed with Pompeo that China is committing "genocide"
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and come to sort of a ''vague truce'' so he could focus on his domestic agenda
Bs again. Anyone else remembers Blinken touring the region with Austin talking about containing China and then finally the disastrous Anchorage meeting?
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If China was willing to buy some US debt or something
So they were pointing a gun at China's head with all these sanctions, and China was supposed to offer concessions for the "good" of the relarionship



But, if this was some kind of good deal for both parties.
It is called the Phase 1 Trade Agreement and Biden kept sanctioning China even though they made a deal.


China knows that any promises made by Biden even if it is under good faith will be reversed by a future Trump like figure
China knows that the Security apparatus have formed a consensus that China is a threat and it must be contained. China cant change that unless it is ready to sign a Plaza Accord 2 agreement.


That level of trust from the Obama years is gone forever
Who said that there was trust then? Are we forgetting that Obama stabbed China in the back even when China bailed out the US during the 2008 crisis? And then proceeding with the Pivot to Asia, and forming a trade bloc excluding China from that in order to contain it economically


Trumpian way of handing of China will be the norm
Trumpian way was also the Obama way, just a lot more rough than the "gentleman" and behind the scenes Obama.


Biden's presidency will be merely the stopgap towards this transition.
Biden will merely be the continuation of the Trump policies, with just a prettier paint on top.

I am saving this post so that I will use it anytime people are claiming about how Biden acthually wanted better relations. Laughable. Please no revisionism of history
 

siegecrossbow

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I do think Biden did want to ease tensions with China and come to sort of a ''vague truce'' so he could focus on his domestic agenda. If China was willing to buy some US debt or something. But, if this was some kind of good deal for both parties. China knows that any promises made by Biden even if it is under good faith will be reversed by a future Trump like figure. So, there was no point into giving Biden's demands. That level of trust from the Obama years is gone forever. Trumpian way of handing of China will be the norm. Biden's presidency will be merely the stopgap towards this transition.

Biden wants China to bankroll the QE, nothing more. Somehow the admin believes that China is begging to bail them out like they did back in 2008.
 

siegecrossbow

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In what world is she going to be better than Sleepy Joe and Loser Trump and cackling Harris? I am not aware of Ivanka Trump’s supposed genius in business, policies, political acumen or even actual real life accomplishments other than marrying that robot looking boy man Kushner.

What political acumen has cackling Harris demonstrated? Visiting the John McCain memorial in Ho ChiMinh city? It is easy to discount Ivanka as an airhead until you realize that she is one of the few people who advised Trump, back in 2018, to reach a trade deal with China when the Chinese government was willing to make limited concessions.
 
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