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Lethe

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As an Australian of European descent, I am often reading or hearing in Australian media about the Australia-China relationship and that is entirely to be expected. But I am less clear why the subject seems to come up in this forum so regularly. Is it just because Australia-China relations get a decent amount of coverage in English-language media generally, and folks here are exposed via that route? Or are Australia-China relations actually a noteworthy subject for discussion within China and in Chinese-language media? And if so, why?
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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As an Australian of European descent, I am often reading or hearing in Australian media about the Australia-China relationship and that is entirely to be expected. But I am less clear why the subject seems to come up in this forum so regularly. Is it just because Australia-China relations get a decent amount of coverage in English-language media generally, and folks here are exposed via that route? Or are Australia-China relations actually a noteworthy subject for discussion within China and in Chinese-language media? And if so, why?
It's obvious. This thread is related to China's economy and anything related to it. Since the current Australia-China dispute is highly related to it, people want to talk about it here.
 
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KYli

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It is not about Australia but more about the US. Australia is just inserted itself to become the forefront of this geopolitical and economic warfare. Most mainland Chinese or media probably are not too concern about Australia but felt that what happened in Australia would probably be happened in many other western countries.
 

AndrewS

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Funny, you still don't get it, isn't it? Still clueless like always.

I think it's pretty simple.

China provides a list of reasons why China thinks Australia is acting like a hostile country.

And Australia does actually have more hostile policies towards China than even the USA.
At the same time, the latest figures show 48% of Australia's exports go to China, whilst Chinese imports from Australia are almost negligible.

So China is making the point that you can't have both.
 

weig2000

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As an Australian of European descent, I am often reading or hearing in Australian media about the Australia-China relationship and that is entirely to be expected. But I am less clear why the subject seems to come up in this forum so regularly. Is it just because Australia-China relations get a decent amount of coverage in English-language media generally, and folks here are exposed via that route? Or are Australia-China relations actually a noteworthy subject for discussion within China and in Chinese-language media? And if so, why?

A lot of members here have access to both English media and Chinese media, but I suppose majority of them read more English media than the Chinese ones - my guess and common sense, with no rigorous statistics to back it up.

The impression of Australia among Chinese had been interesting, remote and slightly more positive of all Western countries. Mainland Chinese probably viewed it as a relatively friendly place for travel, study, invest and, indeed, even immigrate.

These have all changed gradually starting a few years ago, when Australia had pushed itself at the forefront of Sino-US conflict, which has been the defining and overriding themes globally and among Chinese community in the last few years. Australian banned Huawei from its National Broadband Network project back in 2012, which started to attract my attention about Australia from a geopolitical standpoint. I had followed Professor
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on his China focus and the ensuing debates in Australia on the subject on and off over the years. Professor White was prescient, I have to say, to see the quandary that Australia would be put in with the rise of China and its impact on Australia. Australia took the first shot across the bow when it banned Huawei from the 5G participation, the first in the world. Since then, it has taken the lead in both rhetoric and actions against China: from the so-called Chinese influence operations, South China Sea, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and the most indignant of all: calling for an independent inquiry of the origin and mishandling of Covid-19, a clearly politically-motivated call bordering on war crime investigation. The list is too long to list here.

Now, Australia considers itself a western nation even though it is in the Asia-Pacific region, giving its ethnic composition and history. An Anglo-Saxon outpost of sort. It is understandable that it will align with western countries in certain matters, particularly the US due to its security relationship. But what has really enraged China and Chinese people in general is why Australian felt that it had to take the lead in the western crusade against China, positioning itself as the attack dog of the US. China had no quarrel with Australia, unlike, say, Japan which has territorial and historical disputes with China (I'm leaving out the US for obvious reasons). China is no security threat to Australia and doesn't consider Australia a security threat to China or geopolitically important enough to even bother to invest in the so-called political influence operations or large-scale spying operations. Worst of all, China has been Australia's single largest customer, with close to 30% of its export market and has been responsible for Australia's uninterrupted growth over the last quarter century. And what does China get for all these?!

When Global Times called Australia a "paper cat," what it really tried to say is that Australia is feigning like a heavy-weight boxer with all its anti-China blusters. Many Australians were probably offended by GT's characterization that Australia was like "a piece of gum sticking to China's shoes," in other words, a nuisance with its constant harassment against China. But a lot of Chinese were actually humored and humiliated by Australia's accusations that China somehow even bothered to put its resources and reputation at stake to engage in some serious influence or spying operations in Australia. All these nuisance and harassment have been adding up nonstop, and the call for inquiry of Covid became the backstab and the last straw that broke the camel's back. Enough is enough.

That has been my view of Australia's behaviors against China in the last few years. It's been an evolution that gets where we're today. Would be interested in hearing what you and others have to say on the subject. I personally think that deep-seated racialism and strong insecurity about its future in a non-white region increasingly not dominated by the US have caused all the seemingly very irrational behaviors.
 

emblem21

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A lot of members here have access to both English media and Chinese media, but I suppose majority of them read more English media than the Chinese ones - my guess and common sense, with no rigorous statistics to back it up.

The impression of Australia among Chinese had been interesting, remote and slightly more positive of all Western countries. Mainland Chinese probably viewed it as a relatively friendly place for travel, study, invest and, indeed, even immigrate.

These have all changed gradually starting a few years ago, when Australia had pushed itself at the forefront of Sino-US conflict, which has been the defining and overriding themes globally and among Chinese community in the last few years. Australian banned Huawei from its National Broadband Network project back in 2012, which started to attract my attention about Australia from a geopolitical standpoint. I had followed Professor
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
on his China focus and the ensuing debates in Australia on the subject on and off over the years. Professor White was prescient, I have to say, to see the quandary that Australia would be put in with the rise of China and its impact on Australia. Australia took the first shot across the bow when it banned Huawei from the 5G participation, the first in the world. Since then, it has taken the lead in both rhetoric and actions against China: from the so-called Chinese influence operations, South China Sea, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and the most indignant of all: calling for an independent inquiry of the origin and mishandling of Covid-19, a clearly politically-motivated call bordering on war crime investigation. The list is too long to list here.

Now, Australia considers itself a western nation even though it is in the Asia-Pacific region, giving its ethnic composition and history. An Anglo-Saxon outpost of sort. It is understandable that it will align with western countries in certain matters, particularly the US due to its security relationship. But what has really enraged China and Chinese people in general is why Australian felt that it had to take the lead in the western crusade against China, positioning itself as the attack dog of the US. China had no quarrel with Australia, unlike, say, Japan which has territorial and historical disputes with China (I'm leaving out the US for obvious reasons). China is no security threat to Australia and doesn't consider Australia a security threat to China or geopolitically important enough to even bother to invest in the so-called political influence operations or large-scale spying operations. Worst of all, China has been Australia's single largest customer, with close to 30% of its export market and has been responsible for Australia's uninterrupted growth over the last quarter century. And what does China get for all these?!

When Global Times called Australia a "paper cat," what it really tried to say is that Australia is feigning like a heavy-weight boxer with all its anti-China blusters. Many Australians were probably offended by GT's characterization that Australia was like "a piece of gum sticking to China's shoes," in other words, a nuisance with its constant harassment against China. But a lot of Chinese were actually humored and humiliated by Australia's accusations that China somehow even bothered to put its resources and reputation at stake to engage in some serious influence or spying operations in Australia. All these nuisance and harassment have been adding up nonstop, and the call for inquiry of Covid became the backstab and the last straw that broke the camel's back. Enough is enough.

That has been my view of Australia's behaviors against China in the last few years. It's been an evolution that gets where we're today. Would be interested in hearing what you and others have to say on the subject. I personally think that deep-seated racialism and strong insecurity about its future in a non-white region increasingly not dominated by the US have caused all the seemingly very irrational behaviors.
Yeah, the whole western exceptionalism is very ingrained into australia that they fail to realise that such a mind set isn’t going to work out in the long term and that a return to a time where the west is forever dominate is no longer possible. All this hangs on if the USA is able to maintain its super power status with a vibrant economy. If they don’t do so, australia is surrounded in a region where being white isn’t necessarily going earn respect and where asians arent necessarily going to worship and let racial abuse happen without consequences like once before. No neighbouring nation asked australia to be the usa lapdog in spreading a system that has by and large failed in the west, heck even the pacific island nations told australia to bugger off when he tried to stir up anti China sentiment, hence if they still intend to keep up with this particular mind sent, in the future where Asia is dominate and the west is in decline, well there will be consequences and no nation would waste time giving a damn about Australia’s future, heck other nations may benefit from Australia’s predicament in the future
 
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escobar

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I think it's pretty simple.
China provides a list of reasons why China thinks Australia is acting like a hostile country.
And Australia does actually have more hostile policies towards China than even the USA.
The current gov of Australia has made pretty clear that they are hostile against China. It's a conscientious choice they made.
The issue with Australia is not that they ban Huawei but how they do it. Some other countries banned huawei but they have not done it in a hostile or confrontation way. The huawei ban was their way of displaying this hostility. So sending this list was stupid because it was predictable they will say China is trying to coerce them. And this is exactly what they are saying now. This list is stupid because it does not matter why China thinks Australia is acting like a hostile country. The Australia gov has decided to act like that.

At the same time, the latest figures show 48% of Australia's exports go to China, whilst Chinese imports from Australia are almost negligible. So China is making the point that you can't have both.
Do you think they don't know that 48% of Australia's exports go to China? They know it but still doing what they are doing.
That mean that Australia Gov are ready to accept less trade with China if necessary. So China making this point as if they're doing a favor to Australia is needless. No one is forcing China to buy Australia product. If China do not longer want to buy from Australia, go ahead, find another country and move on, instead of repeat and repeat this point.
 
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horse

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The unspoken reason is that Ericsson may loose the Chinese contracts it has already get, and be excluded expansion in the future if Sweden blocks Huawei. Ericsson could be safe even if other European countries block Huawei, but not if Sweden does so.

Just few days ago Denmark reported that US through Danish intelligence agency was spying on Danish government and military when SAAB's JAS-39 was competing against F-35 for Danish contract. That makes me wonder if the Swedish leaders took salaries from US. I am really fascinated by the fact that a country's agency spies on its own military and government on behalf of a foreign government.

"Addtion":
The article said "Nokia has no 5G contract in China". That certainly scared Ericsson for possible retaliation. Nokia is half owned by US capital, it is a merger of former Nokia and Lucent. "excluding" Nokia but keep Ericsson in Chinese 5G is a clear signal to Sweden and EU what China want in return.
The Europeans believe in free trade. That is how Europe became prosperous after the WW2. In principle that is what they believe in, in practice real life tends to take over and lofty goals are often not reached.

Nokia did not get many orders in China because their gear is not as good as Ericsson or Huawei.
 

horse

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It is not about Australia but more about the US. Australia is just inserted itself to become the forefront of this geopolitical and economic warfare. Most mainland Chinese or media probably are not too concern about Australia but felt that what happened in Australia would probably be happened in many other western countries.
There could be the view inside the CCP that the west confrontation against China, really is just the Anglosphere confrontation against China.

Hence, go after the Anglosphere countries like America, Australia, Canada. No secret that China relations to all three on the rocks.
 
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