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For those who don't know Russian, just to show you how "fluid" is the situation:

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at 1947 of Moscow time says "Strelkov"
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was heavily wounded

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at 1956 of Moscow time says the above is "a fantasy" (my translation)

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at 2022 of Moscow time confirms the original claim

Central European media normally regurgitate info available at those three "established" servers (and on this particular occasion at least two of them followed this development in their on-line reporting; by the way, I don't watch TV) ... oh, and don't ask me what's really happened :)

Briefly, the DPR based sources are all saying that reports of Strelkov is disinformation.
He is they say on the Southern front (Shakhtyorsk - Krasny Luch) co-ordinating efforts to trap other Ukrainian units in a new Caudron along the Southern Border- this time far to the West of the Original.
There is a new sit rep map on Colonel Cassad which shows how this is shaping up.
 
I wasn't checking any news since yesterday afternoon until this morning and now it seems to me the Red Army is coming:
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(in Russian, the correspondent claims tens of APCs etc. "obviously closed the border under cover of the night" -- he didn't find out where though)
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Central European servers regurgitated the above, while there's like silence in Ukraine Crisis section at gazeta.ru (but it's half past nine am in Moscow already) -- or am I paranoid?
 

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I wasn't checking any news since yesterday afternoon until this morning and now it seems to me the Red Army is coming:
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(in Russian, the correspondent claims tens of APCs etc. "obviously closed the border under cover of the night" -- he didn't find out where though)
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Central European servers regurgitated the above, while there's like silence in Ukraine Crisis section at gazeta.ru (but it's half past nine am in Moscow already) -- or am I paranoid?

Well you cannot discount it, but you did need to be careful in handling this sort of news.

The BBC reported this morning that Russian APC's crossed the border through a gap in the fence. I did rather raise my eyebrows at that, as the Russian Ukrainian border is an open border and does not actually have a fence. In fact it is not even properly demarcated (a task which Poroshencko keeps saying must be completed urgently).

Assuming these were RF Military Units, it is difficult to say that they crossed the border, when nobody is sure where the border is. We also know that Russia's own border guards have stepped up there own patrols in a more militarised manner, following the constant stream of artillery attacks on RF territory and actual attacks on border guards investigating border violations etc.

The notion that Russia should not position its own military along its own border of a warzone is absurd, if nothing else it needs to have sufficient force to hand to deal with such things as another mass exodus by Ukrainian forces from the fighting and be able to fully control the movement and actions of such foreign troops on its soil.

It is similar to the nonsense being peddled about the Russian aid column. On the one hand we are being told that it is a pretext for delivering military aid to the militia, on the other we are being told that Russia has been delivering military aid for months. These statements are mutually exclusive, so which one is it? The militia now control nearly 200km of border with Russia, so the need for theatrics in this manner would be for what purpose?
I am sure that the convoy contains humanitarian aid and that if Ukraine blocks it at the border it controls, Moscow will site R2P and take it through the rebel held border and dare Kiev to stop it.

It is also worth pointing out that if Russia was sending its official military into the Ukraine to join the fighting, that the front line would be heading West very very quickly.
 

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Dutch radio news, from my favorite broadcaster. was saying:
A column of Russian military vehicle, trucks and APC's, had entered Ukraine according to journalists who hadn't see it
and
Ukrainian border guards were inspecting about hundred Russian transport vehicles with humanitarian aid inside Russia.

A strange contrapunction of news.
 

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Stepanovka village under DNR\DPR control
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14 August 2014 Last updated at 18:02 ET
Ukraine crisis: Impasse over Russian aid convoy
A controversial Russian convoy remains parked near Ukraine's border, still awaiting permission for the aid it is carrying to be taken to violence-racked rebel-held cities in Ukraine's east.
Red Cross officials are in Kiev trying to negotiate its passage.
Ukraine, which fears the convoy may carry military supplies for the rebels, insists it be independently checked.
There was heavy shelling in the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk on Thursday as the rebels suffered setbacks.
They announced that their military leader in Donetsk, Igor Girkin - known as Strelkov - had resigned. No reason was given.
'Strictly humanitarian'
The convoy, of at least 260 lorries, drove for nine hours on Thursday before parking in a field near the border.
Russia dismissed as absurd claims that its convoy was a pretext to send military supplies to the rebels.
But Ukraine insisted on an inspection by international monitors.
Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, said that if this did not happen, "movement of the convoy will be blocked with all the forces available".
Red Cross official Laurent Corbaz, in Kiev to discuss the convoy, said the Red Cross had a "strictly humanitarian role" and that "the delivery of aid should not be politicised".
Red Cross spokeswoman Anastasia Isyuk said the convoy was "south of the city of Kamensk-Shakhtinski" and that the Red Cross had been in contact with the Russian representatives.
She said there was still no agreement on the issues of border crossing procedures and customs clearance.
The BBC's Steve Rosenberg, who has been following the convoy, says the key question now is what Russia will do next - if it takes the convoy across the border, it will be seen by the Ukrainian authorities as a major provocation.
Ukraine is sending its own 75-lorry aid convoy to the east and Mr Corbaz said that too was being discussed in Kiev.
The US has issued another warning to Russia.
State department spokeswoman Marie Harf said: "We've made that very clear to the Russians that they should not move these trucks in, without taking all of the steps the Ukrainian government has outlined."
Ceasefire call
Heavy fighting continued on Thursday, with intense artillery shelling in both Luhansk and Donetsk.
Ukrainian authorities said they had cut off Luhansk from other rebel-held areas after capturing the town of Novosvitlivka.
Ms Harf said the US had "stressed the importance of showing restraint to minimise casualties among the civilian population".
The Russian foreign ministry on Thursday called for an "urgent" ceasefire.
The loss of Strelkov, meanwhile, represents the third high-profile resignation of rebel leaders in the past week.
In Donetsk, the rebels' political leader Alexander Borodai handed over to Alexander Zakharchenko.
And Valery Bolotov, rebel commander in Luhansk, said he was temporarily handing over to Igor Plotnitskiy.
Mr Borodai said reports that Strelkov, a Russian citizen, had been injured were "total rubbish".
Some 2,086 people have been killed since the conflict in the east began in mid-April, more than half of them in the past two weeks, the UN says.
The violence began when pro-Russian rebels seized government buildings and tried to declare independence.
The military launched an operation to retake the east, and stepped up its activities in June.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday visited Crimea, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in March in a move that drew international condemnation.
Mr Putin said Russia's goal was "to stop bloodshed in Ukraine as soon as possible".
He said Russia should not "fence itself off from the outside world" although he said Russia would "not allow anyone to treat us with arrogance".
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Russia allows Ukraine to inspect aid convoy
Both sides say that aid deliveries will be carried out exclusively by the Red Cross
August 15, 2014 8:30AM ET
Russia on Friday allowed Ukrainian officials to inspect an aid convoy and agreed to let the Red Cross distribute donated supplies around the rebel-held city of Luhansk, easing tensions and dispelling Ukrainian fears that the aid operation is a ruse to provide military assistance to pro-Russian rebels.

In violation of an earlier tentative agreement, Russia had sent the convoy of roughly 200 trucks to a border crossing under the control of the rebels, raising the prospect that it could enter Ukraine without being inspected by government officials and the Red Cross.

Kiev had said the humanitarian aid might be used as cover for a Russian military intervention and had vowed to use all means necessary to block the convoy in such a scenario, leading to fears of escalation in the conflict. Moscow has denied any ulterior motives.

Adding to the tensions, a dozen Russian armored personnel carriers appeared early Friday near where the aid trucks were parked for the night, 17 miles from the border with Ukraine.

But the two sides reached an agreement Friday morning that allowed 41 Ukrainian border guards and 18 customs officials to begin inspecting the Russian aid at the border crossing, defense officials in Kiev said in a statement. Sergei Astakhov, an assistant to the deputy head of Ukraine's border guard service, said Red Cross representatives would observe the inspections.

Both sides also said that the aid deliveries themselves would be carried out exclusively by the Red Cross.

Laurent Corbaz, the International Committee of the Red Cross' director of operations in Europe, described a tentative plan in which the trucks would enter Ukraine with a single Russian driver each — as opposed to the crew of several people currently in each truck — accompanied by a Red Cross worker. In line with Red Cross policy, there would be no military escort, he said.

Corbaz said the plan foresees the aid being delivered to a central point in rebel-held territory, and then distributed throughout the region. It was unclear how long the operation might last, but "it's not going to be solved in one week," he said.

The details were still being negotiated by all sides, including the rebels, Corbaz said in Kiev, and the Red Cross still had not received the security guarantees it needs to proceed.

Meanwhile, Ukraine proceeded with its own aid operation in the Luhansk area. Trucks sent from the eastern city of Kharkiv were unloaded Friday morning at warehouses in the town of Starobilsk, where the goods will be sorted and transported further by the Red Cross. Starobilsk is about 60 miles north of Luhansk.

Kiev and NATO have said they fear Russia, which they say has massed more than 40,000 troops near the border, will invade east Ukraine.

Russia says it is conducting military exercises and has no plans to invade. It also denies supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine with arms and funds.

The United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia over its role in east Ukraine and the earlier annexation of Ukraine's region of Crimea, in what has become the worst crisis in relations between Moscow and the West since the end of the Cold War.

Earlier this month, Russia ordered its government agencies to restrict certain food and agricultural products that are imported as a means of retaliation against the countries that have imposed sanctions on it.

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Officials in Rostov Deny Russian Armored Vehicles Crossed Ukraine Border
Topic: Situation in the South-East of Ukraine
Situation in Russian-Ukrainian border, Rostov region
Situation in Russian-Ukrainian border, Rostov region
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11:47 15/08/2014
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ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 15 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) in Rostov Region has not confirmed information that a column of armored vehicles with Russian license plates crossed the border to Ukraine, FSB spokesman Nikolai Sinitsyn told RIA Novosti Friday.
“Russia’s FSB border control in Rostov Region does not confirm this information,” Sinitsyn said.
Earlier, several foreign news agencies reported that a column of 23 military vehicles, a tanker truck with some convoy vehicles with Russian license plates, crossed into Ukraine through the Izvarino border checkpoint Thursday evening. According to the reports, the vehicles are not associated with the humanitarian aid convoy dispatched by Russia to the troubled Ukrainian regions.
The Ukrainian government and the West have long accused Russia of funneling heavy equipment, arms and rebels across the Ukrainian border to support the independence movement in the country’s east. Russia has repeatedly denied any such involvement in the Ukrainian conflict, which it calls a purely internal affair.
In the latest move, earlier this week NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said there was a “high probability” the Russian humanitarian aid might be a pretext for a military incursion into Ukraine. The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed the allegations, calling them absurd.
Earlier this week, Russia sent a convoy of 280 trucks carrying humanitarian aid to southeastern Ukraine. The convoy is carrying medical supplies, food, baby food, sleeping bags and other basic necessities.
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Russia Deploys Mobile Border Guard Teams to Border With Ukraine – FSB
Russia deployed mobile teams of border guards to the border with Ukraine
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15:11 15/08/2014
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MOSCOW, August 15 (RIA Novosti) – Russia has deployed mobile teams of border guards to the vicinity of the border with Ukraine, but they are to operate strictly on the Russian side, a spokesman for Russia’s FSB Border Guard Service said Friday.
The spokesman said that residents of the border territories are under threat due to increased numbers of Ukrainian servicemen crossing into Russia and frequent cross-border shelling.
“They [border guard groups] are operating solely on the territory of Russia. In this regard, the reports about a group of Russian servicemen crossing the Russian-Ukrainian border are completely untrue,” the spokesman said.
On Thursday, a number of foreign news agencies reported that a convoy of military vehicles with Russian license plates crossed into Ukraine via the Izvarino border checkpoint. Earlier on Friday, the UNN information agency, citing the Anti-Terrorist Center operating under the Security Service of Ukraine, reported that the reports had been confirmed. According to preliminary accounts of the alleged incident, the vehicles were carrying armed servicemen.
The Ukrainian government has long blamed Russia for funneling heavy equipment, arms and troops across the border with Ukraine to support the independence movement in the country’s eastern regions, a claim Moscow has repeatedly rejected.
Last week, Pengaton spokesman John Kirby said Russia had amassed 10,000 troops on the border with Ukraine. Shortly after, NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow said 20,000 servicemen had already been deployed to the border. NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu added later that NATO is concerned that Russia might send troops into eastern Ukraine under the “pretext” of a humanitarian or peacekeeping mission.
Earlier this week NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said there was a “high probability” the humanitarian aid Russia dispatched to the crisis-plagued Ukrainian eastern regions might be a pretext for a military incursion into Ukraine. The Russian Foreign Ministry has dismissed the allegations, calling them absurd.
At the same time, there are numerous reports of Ukrainian servicemen flowing into Russia. Earlier this month, 438 Ukrainian personnel, some employees of Ukraine’s State Border Service, requested refugee status in Russia.
The Russian-Ukrainian border has also been subjected to Ukrainian artillery shelling in the nearly four-month-long standoff between Ukraine’s national troops and eastern independence supporters. In total, one person has been killed and several others injured on Russian territory as a result of Ukrainian shelling since the military operation began.
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Russian aid convoy checked; military vehicles mass near Ukraine
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By Dmitry Madorsky and Maxim Shemetov
KAMENSK-SHAKHTINSKY Russia (Reuters) - Dozens of heavy Russian military vehicles massed on Friday near the border with Ukraine, while Ukrainian border guards crossed the frontier to inspect a huge Russian aid convoy.
Kiev has said the humanitarian aid might be used as cover for a Russian military intervention, and has insisted that its forces check the convoy before it moves across the border.
Moscow has denied any ulterior motives, but has allowed Ukrainian border guards to enter Russia and look at the caravan of trucks in an area opposite the frontier town of Izvaryne.
"Ukrainian border guards are there already in large numbers," border guard spokesman Andriy Demchenko said. The Ukrainian military said the inspection began on Friday morning, but it was not clear how long the process might take.
On Thursday, the convoy of some 280 trucks stopped in open fields near the Russian town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, about 20 km (12 miles) from the border in front of Izvaryne, which is under the control of pro-Russian separatists.
Apart from the trucks, a Reuters reporter at the scene saw a dozen armoured personnel carriers (APCs) on the move not far from the convoy. Another Reuters reporter saw two dozen APCs moving near the border with Ukraine on Thursday night.
The Guardian reported on Friday that its reporter had seen several APCs crossing the border with Ukraine. (bit.ly/1pbRpYg)
Asked about the report, a Ukrainian military spokesman, Oleksiy Dmytrashkivsky, said: "These movements into Ukrainian territory take place practically every day with the aim of provoking (the Ukrainian side). Last night was no exception. Some armoured vehicles came across. We are checking on the quantity and the number of people who came over."
Kiev and NATO have said they fear Russia, which they say has massed more than 40,000 troops near the border, will invade east Ukraine. Russia says it is conducting military exercises and has no plans to invade. It also denies supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine with arms and funds.
The United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia over its role in east Ukraine and the earlier annexation of Ukraine's region of Crimea, in what has become the worst crisis in relations between Moscow and the West since the Cold War.
SHORTAGES
Relief agencies say people living in Luhansk and in Donetsk, where pro-Moscow separatists are fighting government forces, face shortages of water, food and electricity after four months of conflict, in which the United Nations says more than 2,000 have been killed.
Russia says its convoy is carrying 2,000 tonnes of water, baby food and other aid for people in the region, and has dismissed accusations by Kiev and some Western officials that it could be a cover for a military infiltration.
Kiev has said if the humanitarian convoy enters Ukraine without the consent of the authorities, the Ukrainian government will view that as an illegal incursion.
However, it appeared likely that a deal could be brokered.
Russia's foreign ministry said it was in intensive talks with the Ukrainian government and the Red Cross, while the Ukrainian foreign ministry said technical agreements had been reached about procedures for inspecting the convoy under the supervision of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the Red Cross.
Kiev blames Russia and the separatists for the plight of the civilians, but their situation has grown more acute as the Ukrainian military has pressed its offensive - including in areas where civilians live.
Artillery shells hit close to the centre of Ukraine's separatist-held city of Donetsk for the first time on Thursday.
(Additional reporting by Natalia Zinets in Kiev; Writing by Dmitry Zhdannikov and Richard Balmforth)
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NATO accuses Moscow of escalating Ukraine conflict
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9:08am EDT
By Adrian Croft and Dmitry Madorsky
BRUSSELS/KAMENSK-SHAKHTINSKY Russia (Reuters) - NATO accused the Kremlin on Friday of escalating the conflict in Ukraine, following reports that a small column of Russian armored vehicles had crossed overnight into an area of Ukraine where pro-Moscow rebels are battling government forces.
The Russian government denied its troops had entered Ukraine, but the media reports risked further inflaming tensions between Moscow and the West, which have already imposed costly economic restrictions on each other.
"If confirmed, they are further evidence that Russia is doing the very opposite of what it's saying. Russia has been escalating the conflict, even as it calls for de-escalation," NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said.
At a meeting of European Union foreign ministers in Brussels, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said he was alarmed that Russian forces might have crossed the border.
"If there are any Russian military personnel or vehicles in eastern Ukraine, they need to be withdrawn immediately or the consequences could be very serious," he told reporters. Lithuania's foreign minister also voiced concern.
Britain's Guardian newspaper said on Friday that its reporter had seen several armored personnel carriers (APCs) crossing the border with Ukraine. (bit.ly/1pbRpYg)
Ukrainian officials said that some armored vehicles did cross from Russian into Ukraine overnight, and that they were investigating.
"These movements into Ukrainian territory take place practically every day with the aim of provoking (the Ukrainian side)," said Oleksiy Dmytrashkivsky, a Ukrainian military spokesman.
Despite the allegations of a fresh Russian military incursion, the momentum on the battlefield in eastern Ukraine is with the government forces.
They are winning territory from the separatists almost daily, and in the main rebel strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk are pounding the rebels with artillery strikes. Civilians have also been wounded and killed.
The rebels meanwhile appear to be in a disorderly retreat with three senior separatists removed from their post in the past seven days. One of them was Igor Strelkov, a Moscow native so feted among pro-Russian circles that T-shirts and mugs have been printed in Russia with his image.
COLUMN OF TRUCKS
Western worries about Russian intervention in eastern Ukraine had focused on a huge convoy that Moscow said was taking humanitarian supplies to Ukrainian civilians.
Some European officials had said the convoy could be a cover for a Russian military incursion, though Moscow dismissed that.
On Thursday, the convoy of some 280 trucks stopped in open fields near the Russian town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, about 20 km (12 miles) from the border in front of Izvaryne, which is under the control of pro-Russian separatists.
There were no signs it would move on any time soon, with negotiations dragging on between Russia, Ukraine, and the International Committee of the Red Cross over granting the convoy permission to enter Ukraine.
Reuters journalists who were allowed to look inside several of the trucks on Friday said that, while some were filled with pallets of bottled water and boxes of canned food, many were partially empty.
One driver sitting in the cab of a parked truck said he was carrying a cargo of tinned condensed milk. "All the pallets work out at 7 tonnes and 920 kilograms," he said. But he said the truck could carry 20 tonnes.
Russia says it needs to get the supplies urgently to people in the rebel-held cities of Luhansk and Donetsk. In Luhansk, people have been without running water and electricity for several days.
Asked about the amount of cargo in the trucks, a spokesman for the Russian Emergencies Ministry, overseeing the convoy, declined to comment.
Alexander Goltz, an independent Russian military analyst, said it was normal practice for similar convoys to travel with unused capacity so cargo could be transferred if any of the trucks broke down.
"One other explanation is that they (Russian officials) wanted to give the impression that the convoy was carrying far more than it really is," Goltz said.
SANCTIONS SQUEEZE
Apart from the trucks, a Reuters reporter with the convoy saw a dozen APCs on the move not far from the convoy. Another Reuters reporter saw two dozen APCs moving near the border with Ukraine on Thursday night.
The United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia over its role in east Ukraine and the earlier annexation of Crimea, in the worst crisis in relations between Moscow and the West since the Cold War.
The economic cost of the sanctions for both sides rose sharply last week when the Kremlin, in response to EU sanctions, halted imports of several food products from Western states.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday had talks in the southern Russian resort of Sochi with the president of Finland, one of the EU states hardest hit by the Russian embargo.
Finnish President Sauli Niinisto told Putin, through a translator: "The catastrophe that happened in Ukraine is of course reflecting on all of us, affecting us all, and it has much broader implications than (just) local consequences."
"I would therefore want to talk to you about the opportunities to resolve the Ukraine (crisis), to stop the negative string of events and contribute to stabilization, because all of that indeed affects all of us," he said.
The Finnish president's visit was unusual. He was the first EU leader to be hosted on Russian soil by Putin since before Russia's annexation of Crimea earlier this year.
Most EU leaders have preferred to stay away to show their displeasure over Russia's actions in Ukraine.
(Additional reporting by Natalia Zinets in Kiev, Maria Tsvetkova and Alexander Winning in Moscow, and Alexei Anishchuk in Sochi, Russia; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)
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Heh, Heh, Heh, looks like militarized umbella's for the coming "Krap Sturm",,,, that's Teutonic you know???? wonder if all those trucks look like that??? that would be in keeping with the way things were done in the "good old days" of my Ute, when my Daddy used to bounce me on his knee.
 

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That's pretty sketchy. if these photos are accurate they probably could have cut the convoy size down significantly.
a few possibilities if true.

1) The Convoy is a political stunt meant more to show solidarity then actually offer support.
2) the trucks are more important possibly to be used to evacuate personnel.
3) the Trucks did have weapons onboard but they were removed before inspection.
4) the Convoy was raided along the way with the contents now on the black market.
 
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That's pretty sketchy. if these photos are accurate they probably could have cut the convoy size down significantly.
possibility

1) The Convoy is a political stunt meant more to show solidarity then actually offer support.
2) the trucks are more important possibly to be used to evacuate personnel.
3) the Trucks did have weapons onboard but they were removed before inspection.
4) the Convoy was raided along the way with the contents now on the black market.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Bingo!!!!!! we have a winner, whats your name Son?????? TerranE, well Terran you have tripled on our daily double, not only nailing the first three, but answering the fourth bonus question, that black market stuff does include a years supply of "Athletes Foot Reliever", as all good combat troops know, "you've got to take care of your feet" and of course that includes two dozen pair of white under-armor sox, guaranteed to repel .50 cal and everything smaller, and matching under armor long handles for those Kold Eastern Ukraine nights..... that is all.......
 
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