East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

[Jeff Head]

A potential bombshell in China's ECS ADIZ saga; a Japanese source said there's a secret document showing senior Chinese officials informing Japanese officials of the ECS ADIZ as early as 2010. If true, then the whole 'China didn't consult with her neighbors' argument is kaput.

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I'm not sure it is a bombshell so much.

What it indicates is that China informally informed Japan, at a meeting, that they were considering it.

At that meeting a Japanese Defense Ministry official told the Chinese, "China has not announced this ADIZ to the international community, so it's impossible to say where our air defense zones overlap. As such, I cannot make any further comment."

So, what other communications occurred regarding it between that informal feeler and the "official," announcement?

Perhaps Japan felt there would be more talk, and in the absence of it, felt China had tabled it.

We just do not know.

But I do not consider this revelation as any kind of smoking gun. An informal feeler which the Japanese at the meeting indicated would be impossible to gauge their reaction to without more international input.

I have no doubts that the Japanese knew something was in the off'ing...I just think they felt there would be more pre-amble and reacted negatively when there wasn't.

As it is, IMHO, it is moot anyway because China has every right to establish an ADIZ for the purposes of monitoring air space approaches to their territory to identify potential dangers...and does not need Japan's, the US's, or the international community's approval to do so.

 

[nkvd]

Sorry but in which way is this "revelation" a bombshell?How does China giving Japan prior warning change things for the Japanese and their allies?Surely ADIZ would have remained contentious warning or no warning

 

[i.e.]

Sorry but in which way is this "revelation" a bombshell?How does China giving Japan prior warning change things for the Japanese and their allies?Surely ADIZ would have remained contentious warning or no warning

If you read the article...

Chinese PLA has been doing the "ground work" for 3.5 years prior to official annoucnement.

that means on operational levels this probably has been known for quite some times by JSDF.

to feint surprise at this when they publicly announced it last year ... is at best.., theatrical.


This part deserve to be quoted in full... and should shed light on the gist of the problem...

"The PLAN commodore furthermore stated that the Chinese and Japanese ADIZ "overlap by about 100 nautical miles," or 185 kilometers, and suggested the Chinese air force and Japan's Air Self-Defense Force work out rules to prevent accidental clashes in the overlapping airspace."

In short, the chinese asked what to do about the overlapping ADIZ, in the sense of a operational procedures to prevent unnecessary clashes. and Please note, that This was a good spirited discussion on a topic much championed publicly by US-Japan

The entire public rational for chiding chinese as the disruptor of regional stability rests entirely on the perception that these nasty chinaman don;t follow rules or are not willing to engage in rules, and some how surprise everyone and endangered public safety with this announcement...



well,
it turns out 3.5 years ago the chinese notified all parties involved and put forth initiatives to prevent clashes...

Plus the news report that SKoreans were shortly told before hand also... and given the intimate relationship between US-SK militaries, and US-Japan Militaries, I would be surprised that US, and Japan, was actually "surprised"....

Much brouhaha about nothing!

 

[xiabonan]

On the first day of Chinese New Year, Chinese pilots flied the Su30s fully armed to intercept "foreign aircrafts" on the East China Sea.

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[Blackstone]

Su30s instead of J-11s?

 

[A.Man]

Su30s instead of J-11s?

It says, SU-30's are from PLANAF of China East Sea Fleet.

 

[kroko]

On the first day of Chinese New Year, Chinese pilots flied the Su30s fully armed to intercept "foreign aircrafts" on the East China Sea.

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Most probably PLA planes identified them from afar and did not intercepted them.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Most probably PLA planes identified them from afar and did not intercepted them.

No. The report on CCTV said that they got within visual range and evicted the intruding aircraft.

 

[Air Force Brat]

No. The report on CCTV said that they got within visual range and evicted the intruding aircraft.

Well, here again it seems that there is more to this story than meets the eye, the aircraft pictured in the link are not heavily loaded and in fact seem to have a very light A2A load more suitable for training???? who were the bogeys, and typically when you are probing the other guys air defenses, you don't have to be evicted, you continue on about your business of gathering intel and "stressing the other guys rediness", the more resources you cost him, the less he has available if things "get ugly"......its an expensive, but rather enjoyable game, few things in life are more fun than pulling the other guys chain and getting him out of bed on his "day off"...and if he has to turn on his radar to find you, hey its just fun and games, but the brat has warned that these things may get out of hand and knowing the situation, they "probably will", just a guess, heh! heh!

 

[luhai]

Well, here again it seems that there is more to this story than meets the eye, the aircraft pictured in the link are not heavily loaded and in fact seem to have a very light A2A load more suitable for training???? who were the bogeys, and typically when you are probing the other guys air defenses, you don't have to be evicted, you continue on about your business of gathering intel and "stressing the other guys rediness", the more resources you cost him, the less he has available if things "get ugly"......its an expensive, but rather enjoyable game, few things in life are more fun than pulling the other guys chain and getting him out of bed on his "day off"...and if he has to turn on his radar to find you, hey its just fun and games, but the brat has warned that these things may get out of hand and knowing the situation, they "probably will", just a guess, heh! heh!

Interestingly, the source of the pictures, navy.top81.cn did not report such news. My guess is the the picture is from some training mission earlier. And the writings accomplished the picture are written very dramatically, using so many adjectives its language it feels like it from some thriller novel and feels fake in general. In any case, on the site and weibo where the news is supposed to be from, it's either being removed or didn't exist at all. The news still exist on the CCTV site, but it's incomplete compare to the ifeng version. So may be april fools has come early?

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