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vesicles

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i have to respectfully disagree with you there chief.

I was talking about this photo/painting. This is what I would consider as "water columns". I had this photo/painting set as my desktop background for years. The one I had before actually had the painter's signature. I can't find that signature on the one I am attaching now though...
 

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SteelBird

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This was one of my favorite photo years ago and it was the one that I mention in my earlier post. I did not know it was painting or real. I first got it from Webshots. However, let conclude it this way. The western pilots fly their fighters with 'responsibility-free' while the Chinese counterpart is not.
 

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This was one of my favorite photo years ago and it was the one that I mention in my earlier post. I did not know it was painting or real. I first got it from Webshots. However, let conclude it this way. The western pilots fly their fighters with 'responsibility-free' while the Chinese counterpart is not.

Agreed. The Chinese military place far greater emphasis on recovering the aircraft than its Western counterpart.
 

Scratch

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Well, honestly, I don't know if I just don't get the joke or if you guys are really serious, but frankly, this "responsibility-free flying of western pilots" is just nonsense. There's a myriad of strict rules in western military aviation that have to be followed by the latter. That alledged "gun-ho attitude" is a legacy of movies from 20-30 years ago. If you willfully do something stupid & dangerous these days you will be hanged on the highest mast that can be found. Simply because it is utterly unprofessional, which is the opposite of what constitudes a militray aviator. As a pilot put through extensive and expensive training, you and your complex weapon system (the airplane) are valuable military assets wich can't just get wastet through stupidity.
That being said, military aviation is a complex and ultimately dangerous undertaking in wich you will only succeed if you're able to reliably "max-perform" your jet. And in part that also means going as low as 500, 250 or even just 100ft at up to 500+kts. If you haven't seen that in training, there's just no way you will achieve that in combat when it's night and you're actually facing deadly threads.
If a jet crashes into an apartment building shortly after T/O, it most certainly was not because the pilot was attempting a barrel roll right after take off.
 

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Well, honestly, I don't know if I just don't get the joke or if you guys are really serious, but frankly, this "responsibility-free flying of western pilots" is just nonsense. There's a myriad of strict rules in western military aviation that have to be followed by the latter. That alledged "gun-ho attitude" is a legacy of movies from 20-30 years ago. If you willfully do something stupid & dangerous these days you will be hanged on the highest mast that can be found. Simply because it is utterly unprofessional, which is the opposite of what constitudes a militray aviator. As a pilot put through extensive and expensive training, you and your complex weapon system (the airplane) are valuable military assets wich can't just get wastet through stupidity.
That being said, military aviation is a complex and ultimately dangerous undertaking in wich you will only succeed if you're able to reliably "max-perform" your jet. And in part that also means going as low as 500, 250 or even just 100ft at up to 500+kts. If you haven't seen that in training, there's just no way you will achieve that in combat when it's night and you're actually facing deadly threads.
If a jet crashes into an apartment building shortly after T/O, it most certainly was not because the pilot was attempting a barrel roll right after take off.
 

Scratch

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The first vid is I think in Chad were the french also do low level training. And that is indeed real & intensive training, and by no means just reckless flying. If you're doing contour flying to achive radar & IR masking the point indeed is to hide behind terrain. If you fly at 1.000ft wich might be just higher than the elevation of surrounding peaks, you might as well fly at 10.000ft since there's nohing between you and e.g. the radar one way or the other.

For the 2nd, the only thing saying it was an almost crash is a poster description on youtube wich may or may not be true. The pilot may as well have been training for some kind of demonstration. If he wasn't & it was actually poor airmanship there's no way to tell that this was accepted and that it's indicative of the they conduct business.
 

delft

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I do remember the BBC mentioning about twenty years ago that the Scottish traffic police had clocked a vehicle in the Highlands at 800 km/h. :)
 
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