J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Lion]

Still no J-10B enter service, not even need to mention testing. J-10B is doomed.

But I believe its a good sign that J-20 project is going very smoothly and will be inducted very soon.

 

[Deino]

Still no J-10B enter service, not even need to mention testing. J-10B is doomed.

But I believe its a good sign that J-20 project is going very smoothly and will be inducted very soon.

Are You really sure ??

You don't build 5 prototypes only to test some certain systems for the J-20. That could be done with a few modified A-models without any airframe changes.

Besides that - esp. now since the J-20 2001 is also at Yanglian and we haven't seen anything from it within the last weeks - is this project now also dead and gone ???

IMO the CFTE is simply too large, too off-the public and too secret so that we sadly don't get news on a regular basis. Just take a look at the Y-9, the Y-7AEW and I would like to know what else is flying around there - but that's for me more a hint that they are right now deeply involved in the operational testing, while CAC prepares to convert the production line. Trust me ... we will see the J-10B operationally ... sooner or later.

Deino

 

[Lion]

Are You really sure ??

You don't build 5 prototypes only to test some certain systems for the J-20. That could be done with a few modified A-models without any airframe changes.

Besides that - esp. now since the J-20 2001 is also at Yanglian and we haven't seen anything from it within the last weeks - is this project now also dead and gone ???

IMO the CFTE is simply too large, too off-the public and too secret so that we sadly don't get news on a regular basis. Just take a look at the Y-9, the Y-7AEW and I would like to know what else is flying around there - but that's for me more a hint that they are right now deeply involved in the operational testing, while CAC prepares to convert the production line. Trust me ... we will see the J-10B operationally ... sooner or later.

Deino

You don't see a going to be operational Aircraft with 5 prototypes and then disappear with no rumour or even a photo.
We don't even see in CTFE in chengdu for almost a year.

Or probably you are going to tell me, it's testing in some highly secret inner Mongolia so we don't have any news or photo of it? If you really think so then you must accept my theory of 2-3 additional J-20 advance prototype testing at there too. Which I think you will not.

Deino, you are a season PLAAF watcher. J-10B progress is extremely abnormal. It's not the usual phase and stage we have witness for passed aircrafts.

J-20 might be progressing too fast and good that when J-10B enter its 5 th prototype, the top brass decide to drop the bomb on it.

 

[PanAsian]

J-20 might be progressing too fast and good that when J-10B enter its 5 th prototype, the top brass decide to drop the bomb on it.

I have to disagree on that point. The PLAAF will continue to have a hi-lo mix of planes, in part to be cost effective. Even if J20 development is progressing well it is only part of the hi part of the mix (all the Flanker variants being the others), there needs to be additional J10s (improved models all the better) to be the lo part of the mix replacing existing J7s, Q5s, and even J8s. It is just like the F22s, F15s, and F16s in USAF service.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Could it be because they were projected image rather than actual monitor display (easier for a curved surface)?

Also they might have realised that too much detail and you risk making the green simulated HUD display hard to read,(since flat projections is not the same as 3D image) so it is actually something that has been carefully calibrated and tested.

You are correct. Generally speaking there are 2 main types of flight simulators. One is call the Full Flight Simulators and the other are static Collimated Cross-Cockpit Displays (CCCD) which users projection into curve surfaces to simulated Out-The-Window (OTW) images to the pilots. The FFS are simulators which offers the most comprehensive training because it replicates aircraft motion using hydraulic actuators to simulate motion like in a real plane. There are different levels within the FFS as well with Level D which has six degrees of freedom offering the most realistic motion control.

The one we see on the pictures are the static Displays used mainly for cockpit familiarizations, control feel, feedback and just general training for a particular aircraft type.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Is an export deal imminent?

 

[Preux]

Not unless you think the PLAN was on the verge of selling the 056 corvette to the University of Hong Kong.

Okay, facetious comments aside, we know that intercourse between the two had been close and frequent, so being gifted with a model of same during a visit hardly means anything one way or another. The sale may still happen but this is no evidence of it.

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However well the J-20 is doing, it still needs an engine that is at most undergoing testing and years away from certification. First flight would have been late 2010 at the earliest, IOC won't be until 2015+ and that is being about as generous as you can jolly well get, reasonable strength even further along.

China can't be inducting no planes in the mean time, there are still close to 20 regiments of J-7s to get rid of, they can't all be replaced with J-11Bs, 601 can't make them quick enough and in any case J-7s don't tend to get replaced with J-11s. Do you seriously think 611 would be making nothing but J10As in the 4 years?

 

[franco-russe]

It is now actually more like some 30 J-7 brigades and regiments that will have to be replaced, which will be no sooner than 2025.

 

[timepass]

Is an export deal imminent?

The current deal is for 36 J10B for PAF, while it is expected to reach 100-150 aircrafts

 

[CottageLV]

Not unless you think the PLAN was on the verge of selling the 056 corvette to the University of Hong Kong.

Okay, facetious comments aside, we know that intercourse between the two had been close and frequent, so being gifted with a model of same during a visit hardly means anything one way or another. The sale may still happen but this is no evidence of it.

---------- Post added at 04:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:46 AM ----------

However well the J-20 is doing, it still needs an engine that is at most undergoing testing and years away from certification. First flight would have been late 2010 at the earliest, IOC won't be until 2015+ and that is being about as generous as you can jolly well get, reasonable strength even further along.

China can't be inducting no planes in the mean time, there are still close to 20 regiments of J-7s to get rid of, they can't all be replaced with J-11Bs, 601 can't make them quick enough and in any case J-7s don't tend to get replaced with J-11s. Do you seriously think 611 would be making nothing but J10As in the 4 years?

The use of "intercourse" made me laugh.

Where did sell to hong kong university from from? that's funny.