J-20... The New Generation Fighter
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Why don't you try reading that FAS article again, especially the definition of SEAD? It includes within its definition (SEAD) the destruction of enemy air defense nodes. DEAD is a subset of SEAD, not a separate category unto itself. You can make all the claims you want, but the DOD definition of SEAD is quite clear and I have already quoted it in this thread. It unambiguously contradicts your nonexistant dichotimization. I'll post for you again:
"Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) is defined by the Department of Defense (DOD) as “That activity that neutralizes, destroys, or temporarily degrades surface-based enemy air defenses by destructive and/or disruptive means.”
Why don't you try reading that FAS article again, especially the definition of SEAD? It includes within its definition (SEAD) the destruction of enemy air defense nodes. DEAD is a subset of SEAD, not a separate category unto itself. You can make all the claims you want, but the DOD definition of SEAD is quite clear and I have already quoted it in this thread. It unambiguously contradicts your nonexistant dichotimization. I'll post for you again:
"Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) is defined by the Department of Defense (DOD) as “That activity that neutralizes, destroys, or temporarily degrades surface-based enemy air defenses by destructive and/or disruptive means.”
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I think this is an interesting point. There are two main school of thoughts right now. One is that the J-20 is going to be a fast, heavy strike fighter designed to take out enemy ships and ground defences while the other hints the role of an air superiority fighter. I'm inclined to agree with the later due to the canard configuration as well as the unlikelihood of China dedicating a heavy, expensive fighter to the role of what is, essentially, a F-35.
I think the canard configuration was adapted due to China's experience with J-10.
I think this is an interesting point. There are two main school of thoughts right now. One is that the J-20 is going to be a fast, heavy strike fighter designed to take out enemy ships and ground defences while the other hints the role of an air superiority fighter. I'm inclined to agree with the later due to the canard configuration as well as the unlikelihood of China dedicating a heavy, expensive fighter to the role of what is, essentially, a F-35.
I think the canard configuration was adapted due to China's experience with J-10.
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Canards are bad for supercruising. So the T-50 and the F-22 will be faster on SC.
Canards are bad for supercruising. So the T-50 and the F-22 will be faster on SC.
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Hey guys,
Regarding the number of J-20 units the PLAAF will purchase, has anyone considered the potential technological evolutions that would certainly ramify throughout China's aerospace industries, should they consider a mass production run? My thoughts are this: although it might not seem economically feasible -in the short-term- to produce, say, 500 J-20's, compared to the numbers planned by competitors, committing to a mass production of this platform might, in fact, be just what the Chinese aerospace industries need to consolidate and advance their technological evolutions, particularly as they pertain to combat aircraft.
I believe that the USA achieved this with the F-14s and F-15s particularly, and the the Russians did so with the Mig-29s and Su-27s. Additionally, although the J-10 is ceratinly a capable aircraft, in considering it and the J-20 as options the for basis of further technological evolution, I'd personally recommend the J-20. And, all this, just from the looks of it! LOL
Just a thought.
Hey guys,
Regarding the number of J-20 units the PLAAF will purchase, has anyone considered the potential technological evolutions that would certainly ramify throughout China's aerospace industries, should they consider a mass production run? My thoughts are this: although it might not seem economically feasible -in the short-term- to produce, say, 500 J-20's, compared to the numbers planned by competitors, committing to a mass production of this platform might, in fact, be just what the Chinese aerospace industries need to consolidate and advance their technological evolutions, particularly as they pertain to combat aircraft.
I believe that the USA achieved this with the F-14s and F-15s particularly, and the the Russians did so with the Mig-29s and Su-27s. Additionally, although the J-10 is ceratinly a capable aircraft, in considering it and the J-20 as options the for basis of further technological evolution, I'd personally recommend the J-20. And, all this, just from the looks of it! LOL
Just a thought.
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Yet they provide great manueverability, a great asset in dogfights with other 5th gen fighters.
Yet they provide great manueverability, a great asset in dogfights with other 5th gen fighters.
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Where did you get that from? I thought canards were good for supersonic performance (well not bad certainly...
Can anyone else with more knowledge comment please?
It depends what you meant by "short term" -- a decade or three decades? I don't think they have the capability to manufacture 500 J-20s within ten years. F-22s only got to their current number through over a decade of continued production -- I expect 300 or so J-20s to be produced for at least 2 decades with variants and upgrades inbetween.
The Chinese aerospace industry certainly has room to expand but having one company (and a few subcontractors) produce an expensive, advanced aircraft en masse won't benefit the whole industry and probably isn't the best way to go about improving the industry.
Where did you get that from? I thought canards were good for supersonic performance (well not bad certainly...
Can anyone else with more knowledge comment please?
It depends what you meant by "short term" -- a decade or three decades? I don't think they have the capability to manufacture 500 J-20s within ten years. F-22s only got to their current number through over a decade of continued production -- I expect 300 or so J-20s to be produced for at least 2 decades with variants and upgrades inbetween.
The Chinese aerospace industry certainly has room to expand but having one company (and a few subcontractors) produce an expensive, advanced aircraft en masse won't benefit the whole industry and probably isn't the best way to go about improving the industry.
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The best thing they give is lift at starting and a big dampening against deformation of the body (and thus increase the critical speed for structural problems)
The best thing they give is lift at starting and a big dampening against deformation of the body (and thus increase the critical speed for structural problems)
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Another thing I want to bring up is training pilots for the J-20. Although the L-15 is supposed to train pilots for 4th gen fighters couldn't it upgraded so that it could train 5th gen fighter pilots as well? If they make a break through then PLAAF will definitely order large numbers of this bird.
Another thing I want to bring up is training pilots for the J-20. Although the L-15 is supposed to train pilots for 4th gen fighters couldn't it upgraded so that it could train 5th gen fighter pilots as well? If they make a break through then PLAAF will definitely order large numbers of this bird.
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I don't think L-15 (or even JL-9) will need to be upgraded significantly to train 5th gen pilots... The USAF doesn't seem to be getting out any new gen traning aircraft for their F-35s and F-22s and I imagine you can transition relatively easily from 4th gen to 5th gen (easier from 3rd to 4th at least).
It's the tactics, weapons, avinoics and stealth which (imho) pilots will need to learn to handle, but with these newer gen pilot-friendly cockpits that shoudln't be a major problem.
I don't think L-15 (or even JL-9) will need to be upgraded significantly to train 5th gen pilots... The USAF doesn't seem to be getting out any new gen traning aircraft for their F-35s and F-22s and I imagine you can transition relatively easily from 4th gen to 5th gen (easier from 3rd to 4th at least).
It's the tactics, weapons, avinoics and stealth which (imho) pilots will need to learn to handle, but with these newer gen pilot-friendly cockpits that shoudln't be a major problem.
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