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_killuminati_

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Why the World Cup Keeps Eluding China

This week, as the FIFA World Cup heats up in North America, we explore the state of Chinese soccer and why—despite repeated attempts at reform—it hasn’t found success on the global stage.

Chinese fans are once again lamenting the absence of their national team from the World Cup. The disappointment is particularly acute because this year’s tournament expanded from 32 to 48 teams, including a record nine from the Asian Football Confederation, in which the Chinese team competes.

China has reached the World Cup only once, in 2002, when it was eliminated from the group stage without scoring a goal. Though Chinese fans are used to seeing regional rivals Japan and South Korea easily qualify for the tournament, losing out to newcomers such as Jordan and Uzbekistan is harder to swallow.

What I find interesting is not simply the existence of these problems but China’s inability to solve them. Soccer is a personal priority of Chinese President Xi Jinping, a longtime fan of the sport. In 2011, before becoming president, Xi expressed three wishes for Chinese soccer: to qualify for the World Cup, host the World Cup, and win the World Cup.

Fifteen years later, China is no closer to those goals, despite billions of dollars in investment; repeated anti-corruption campaigns; and a massive, state-backed push to turn China into a “first-class soccer superpower” by 2050.

Part of the problem is that the Chinese domestic league is large and lucrative enough to keep talented players from seeking opportunities abroad, but it is so rife with incompetence and corruption that this talent often goes to waste.

Not a single player on the current Chinese national team plays for a foreign club; by contrast, only eight members of the U.S. squad play for Major League Soccer, the relatively weak U.S. league with several Canadian teams. Chinese players often go abroad during their youth careers but rarely stay overseas at the senior level.

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The state of football in China is just puzzling. I mean billions of dollars including taxpayer money has been spent on it. The president himself says China has three goals to achieve in football which is unusual for China since the Chinese tend to just do stuff and not declare it beforehand which just tells you how enthusiastic the state was about the sport.

And still the Chinese football team is just in this terrible state.

1.4 billion people, billions of dollars spent, the government itself stated it's interest in the sport and in the end this national team still couldn't find 11 half decent players to qualify for the world cup. Meanwhile You have midget states that no one ever heard of like Curaçao with a population of 150k people who did manage to qualify.

What's even the use of this national team? Just to waste money? If it wont bring results it should be disbanded. Chinese culture is usually super competitive thus bringing you good results. Yet this doesnt seem to be the case for football.

If China can't find 11 half decent players then they should do what Arab countries are doing. 8 arab teams qualified for the world cup. For Iraq 16 out of 26 players are born outside Iraq. For Morocco 19 out of 26 players are born outside Morocco, actually in their match against Brazil which was a 1-1 draw, all 11 active players were born, raised and played outside Morocco.

China should go to Europe, Africa, Latin America, Japan, South Korea, search for decent players of Chinese decent, doesnt even have to be 100% Chinese blood, they could be 50% or 25% Chinese decent, grant them citizenship and have them play for the Chinese national team.
This year's event is forgettable, highly politicized and Americanized. The final will have a near half hour half-time to allow more commercials. Iran had it worse. They are not allowed to stay in US; forced to stay in Mexico and must drive/fly to American venues for their matches and commute back immediately after. Yesterday, Iran scored a match winning goal in stoppage time (after a +3-hour flight to Seattle) but it was controversially revoked after a lengthy video review with a questionable decision. If they had won, they'd be playing USA in the quarterfinals but there is a general rumor that US and FIFA wants Iran eliminated at the earliest.
 

_killuminati_

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Mark my words — this is literally gonna end up killing people. I recall that a few years ago people in London literally died during a heatwave or around 85 degrees Fahrenheit. This is gonna be so much worse and they do stupid shit like banning air conditioning…
85F is not even 30C. How can people die in that?

That is fake news.

Obviously this is a statue in some other country.
It's real. The first was built in India for some odd reason..
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Having said that, look at this hotel of a building for raising pigs:
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Is there a penthouse for the elite class of pigs?
 

supersnoop

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Animal rights in authoritarian China >>>>>> human rights in liberal democratic Europe.
I also think of this WL drone control room with the Haier AC… it’s like most people in France would probably rather be an Iraqi military drone operator right now.
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Apparently a light GA aircraft crashed into China Zun or CITIC Tower yesterday. Strange because inner Beijing should be a no fly zone, not really sure how'd they let that slip.

Doesn't seem to be any ground casualties currently, of course there are no official confirmations and probably aren't going to be for a long time.
Of course the first thing people think of is 9/11, but this has a bit more in common with the case of the former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle who lost control of a small plane and fatally crashed into a building. IMO, it is quite unlikely that a person would believe such a small plane could create an event like 9/11 which used multiple wide body jets. Also, if the airspace in Beijing is highly controlled, then it’s unlikely a prohibited flight would be allowed to carry on for more than a few minutes.
 

obj 705A

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This year's event is forgettable, highly politicized and Americanized. The final will have a near half hour half-time to allow more commercials. Iran had it worse. They are not allowed to stay in US; forced to stay in Mexico and must drive/fly to American venues for their matches and commute back immediately after. Yesterday, Iran scored a match winning goal in stoppage time (after a +3-hour flight to Seattle) but it was controversially revoked after a lengthy video review with a questionable decision. If they had won, they'd be playing USA in the quarterfinals but there is a general rumor that US and FIFA wants Iran eliminated at the earliest.
I mean the politicization of sport is a completely different issue. That doesnt mean you shouldnt get good at sports (including football). Sport is not something of critical importance obviously, it isnt say as important as the semiconductor industry. But it is culture, the same way you dont critically need singers to advance the nation but you still have to be good at it.

Obiously most likely the moment China pulls the trigger on Taiwan in the future the west will probably do the same thing they did to Russia to China. China would be completely kicked out of FIFA and the Olympics. At which point in order to maintain the professional level of their athletes China is gonna have to -alongside Russia and the BRICS- create some parallel sports organization.

LMAO By the way speaking of the canceled Iranian goal against Egypt. I didn't watch the match but now I saw the canceled goal on youtube. This world cup indeed is absolute shitshow. They canceled it due to an alleged offside even though an Egyptian player was clearly ahead of the Iranian player.

Here I will share screencaps for the members here to check it out.

EDIT: I didnt know when I wrote this that offside counts if you are past the last second defender. Basically because the goal keeper was so far ahead. The guy in the black circle was the last defender. So IMO there may not have been an issue with this offside after all. So disregard my analysis below

1-Iranian player about to kick the ball.

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2-this is where FIFA froze the cam themselves and claim an offside happened. Look how far the Egyptian player (in the black circle) is ahead of the Iranian player.

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3-FIFA just says fk it, they fade that Egyptian player out of existence like he is a ghost or something and picks a different Egyptian player.
What a farce.

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Eventine

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There isnt one golden solution. You have to do everything to lift the Chinese football team from the terrible state it's in.

Chinese players need to be forced to play in a competitive environment.

The European leagues dont care about your skin colour or religion. They only care about your perfomance, they buy the best players they can get. And since they and latin American have been the first to dominate this sport they have built a self sustaining system that attracts foreign talent and forces local players to perform better to remain relevant.

I know people here usually criticize diversity. But football is different. You cannot base the choice of your players on their ethnicity (ie disqualify people who aren't ethnic Chinese) if a subsaharan player is better than a Chinese, then chose him rather than the ethnic Chinese to play in the Chinese leagues.

Force the local Chinese player to be competitive or else they lose their jobs and their livelihood.

Because so far the Chinese seem to reward rather than punish (financialy) their players for their shit perfomance.

Why is the national team not disbanded yet? They clearly can't play football even if their life depended on it, so fire them, they can go look for some other job.

People here (me included) always bring up the idea that Chinese players need to go play in European leagues when talking about how to fix the Chinese men's football team. And while that is a good idea. The reality is that it is not up to China to do that, it is up to the major European leagues to start buying Chinese players.

In any case forget about Europe for a second. most African and Arab teams are far better than the Chinese team. If the Chinese team could one day be at the level of the Jordanian team then that would an enough of an accomplishment to convince the state to finally host the world cup.

In the qualifiers for the world cup. The Chinese team ranked even below Palestine! Just think about that for a moment.

You know what that means? Forget about the Euro leagues. If you could have Chinese players playing in African and Arab leagues then that would be a boost to the perfomance of the Chinese players.

So in short (let's say the semi TLDR):

Chinese leagues need to start buying foreign players en mass to force them to compete with each other rather than retire and play like shit against amature local chinese players. This would also force the few Chinese players that remain to up their game.

Buying foreigners in small token numbers is what harms the game because then these foreigners do little effort knowing there isnt local competition.

if you can't get good players from Latin America and Europe then buy them from Africa.

If the end result is just 30 Chinese players out of hundreds playing in the Chinese super league remain then so be it.

Currently only around 20% of players in the super league are foreigners, that is a terrible percentage, looking at the horrible perfomance of Chinese players.. they don't deserve more than 10% at most. There are about 500 players in the super league.

I'm sure you could easily find 300 foreigners who are better than 300 of these local players. The super league should be.. 400 foreigners with the best 100 Chinese players to force them to up their game and at the same time prevent these foreigners from essentially playing like a retired footballer.
What is the % of foreigners in the Korean and Japanese leagues?
 

mat

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I mean the politicization of sport is a completely different issue. That doesnt mean you shouldnt get good at sports (including football). Sport is not something of critical importance obviously, it isnt say as important as the semiconductor industry. But it is culture, the same way you dont critically need singers to advance the nation but you still have to be good at it.

Obiously most likely the moment China pulls the trigger on Taiwan in the future the west will probably do the same thing they did to Russia to China. China would be completely kicked out of FIFA and the Olympics. At which point in order to maintain the professional level of their athletes China is gonna have to -alongside Russia and the BRICS- create some parallel sports organization.

LMAO By the way speaking of the canceled Iranian goal against Egypt. I didn't watch the match but now I saw the canceled goal on youtube. This world cup indeed is absolute shitshow. They canceled it due to an alleged offside even though an Egyptian player was clearly ahead of the Iranian player.

Here I will share screencaps for the members here to check it out.

EDIT: I didnt know when I wrote this that offside counts if you are past the last second defender. Basically because the goal keeper was so far ahead. The guy in the black circle was the last defender. So IMO there may not have been an issue with this offside after all. So disregard my analysis below

1-Iranian player about to kick the ball.

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2-this is where FIFA froze the cam themselves and claim an offside happened. Look how far the Egyptian player (in the black circle) is ahead of the Iranian player.

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3-FIFA just says fk it, they fade that Egyptian player out of existence like he is a ghost or something and picks a different Egyptian player.
What a farce.

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Even though I agree Iran has been severely mistreated in this world cup, the offsite rule is based on second-to-last defending player not the final player. Since the goal keeper is out the last guy doesn't count.


Iran have a pretty good chance of qualifying depending on how the games go today. I really hope they make it.
 

obj 705A

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What is the % of foreigners in the Korean and Japanese leagues?
Who cares? China is not korea and not Japan. These two have a ton of players playing in major European leagues so they have the talent from the foreign leagues. Do you see major European leagues running to buy Chinese players? The Chinese team has no talent. They ranked below Palestine in the world cup qualifiers. They need foreign talents. Since no one is gonna buy the Chinese players in Europe that foreign talent and competitiveness has to be brought home to nurture local talent and competitiveness.
 
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