Oh man what would Chinese labs do if they lose the revenue they make from Americans using open models for free.
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VW blaming it's decline on Chinese EVs is only 1/4th the story. The reality boils down to a combination of bad luck and incompetence.
- The single biggest contributor to VW's decline is rising energy costs, starting with the Russo-Ukraine War and Germany's heavy reliance on Russian oil which permanently ate away at profit margins and depressed consumer purchases. This got even worse with the US-Iran War since oil is a global commodity with global pricing.
- The complete and utter failure of CARIAD, VW's internal software stack from the firmware level all the way to driver infotainment apps. VW had no experience with software this ambitious, and blundered it so badly they burned through €14 billion with nothing to show for it. And then:
- Spent another US$7 billion forming a joint venture with Rivian, which is turning into a failure because Rivian is poorly run.
- Spent another €700 million to buy a stake in Xpeng to acquire their software, which is turning into too little too late.
- Failure to modernize its manufacturing techniques meant as everyone else produced better cars for less money, VW was stuck in the past. They blame it on the unions, but for those following German news it was the unions themselves complaining about this for years.
- For context, Germany's labor unions follow a legal framework called Mitbestimmung or "Codetermination" where the unions have a majority-minority take in the company with a union rep sitting on the board of directors. Structurally it allows efficient communication across the entire corporate hierarchy and discourages short-term thinking for long-term wealthy. It's why VW has survived and thrived for so long.
- In this case, VW's factory workers and managers were seeing their competitors, both domestic and foreign (BMW, Hyundai, BYD, etc), closing the gap with VW's raw industrial might through better tech. But the the rest of the board voted them down believe the costs weren't worth the gains. Now the workers are getting shafted twice by losing their jobs and two thirds their share value in VW.
VW is a prime example of why the EU is so up in arms. The simple fact is EU companies are failing from their own mistakes and weaknesses, on top of the world economy whacking them in the knees. But instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work, they scream "everything is China's fault." When in reality China could not exist altogether and they'd still be failing.
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Why the World Cup Keeps Eluding China
This week, as the FIFA World Cup heats up in North America, we explore the state of Chinese soccer and why—despite repeated attempts at reform—it hasn’t found success on the global stage.
Chinese fans are once again lamenting the absence of their national team from the World Cup. The disappointment is particularly acute because this year’s tournament expanded from 32 to 48 teams, including a record nine from the Asian Football Confederation, in which the Chinese team competes.
China has reached the World Cup only once, in 2002, when it was eliminated from the group stage without scoring a goal. Though Chinese fans are used to seeing regional rivals Japan and South Korea easily qualify for the tournament, losing out to newcomers such as Jordan and Uzbekistan is harder to swallow.
What I find interesting is not simply the existence of these problems but China’s inability to solve them. Soccer is a personal priority of Chinese President Xi Jinping, a longtime fan of the sport. In 2011, before becoming president, Xi expressed three wishes for Chinese soccer: to qualify for the World Cup, host the World Cup, and win the World Cup.
Fifteen years later, China is no closer to those goals, despite billions of dollars in investment; repeated anti-corruption campaigns; and a massive, state-backed push to turn China into a “first-class soccer superpower” by 2050.
Part of the problem is that the Chinese domestic league is large and lucrative enough to keep talented players from seeking opportunities abroad, but it is so rife with incompetence and corruption that this talent often goes to waste.
Not a single player on the current Chinese national team plays for a foreign club; by contrast, only eight members of the U.S. squad play for Major League Soccer, the relatively weak U.S. league with several Canadian teams. Chinese players often go abroad during their youth careers but rarely stay overseas at the senior level.
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The state of football in China is just puzzling. I mean billions of dollars including taxpayer money has been spent on it. The president himself says China has three goals to achieve in football which is unusual for China since the Chinese tend to just do stuff and not declare it beforehand which just tells you how enthusiastic the state was about the sport.
And still the Chinese football team is just in this terrible state.
1.4 billion people, billions of dollars spent, the government itself stated it's interest in the sport and in the end this national team still couldn't find 11 half decent players to qualify for the world cup. Meanwhile You have midget states that no one ever heard of like Curaçao with a population of 150k people who did manage to qualify.
What's even the use of this national team? Just to waste money? If it wont bring results it should be disbanded. Chinese culture is usually super competitive thus bringing you good results. Yet this doesnt seem to be the case for football.
If China can't find 11 half decent players then they should do what Arab countries are doing. 8 arab teams qualified for the world cup. For Iraq 16 out of 26 players are born outside Iraq. For Morocco 19 out of 26 players are born outside Morocco, actually in their match against Brazil which was a 1-1 draw, all 11 active players were born, raised and played outside Morocco.
China should go to Europe, Africa, Latin America, Japan, South Korea, search for decent players of Chinese decent, doesnt even have to be 100% Chinese blood, they could be 50% or 25% Chinese decent, grant them citizenship and have them play for the Chinese national team.
This week, as the FIFA World Cup heats up in North America, we explore the state of Chinese soccer and why—despite repeated attempts at reform—it hasn’t found success on the global stage.
Chinese fans are once again lamenting the absence of their national team from the World Cup. The disappointment is particularly acute because this year’s tournament expanded from 32 to 48 teams, including a record nine from the Asian Football Confederation, in which the Chinese team competes.
China has reached the World Cup only once, in 2002, when it was eliminated from the group stage without scoring a goal. Though Chinese fans are used to seeing regional rivals Japan and South Korea easily qualify for the tournament, losing out to newcomers such as Jordan and Uzbekistan is harder to swallow.
What I find interesting is not simply the existence of these problems but China’s inability to solve them. Soccer is a personal priority of Chinese President Xi Jinping, a longtime fan of the sport. In 2011, before becoming president, Xi expressed three wishes for Chinese soccer: to qualify for the World Cup, host the World Cup, and win the World Cup.
Fifteen years later, China is no closer to those goals, despite billions of dollars in investment; repeated anti-corruption campaigns; and a massive, state-backed push to turn China into a “first-class soccer superpower” by 2050.
Part of the problem is that the Chinese domestic league is large and lucrative enough to keep talented players from seeking opportunities abroad, but it is so rife with incompetence and corruption that this talent often goes to waste.
Not a single player on the current Chinese national team plays for a foreign club; by contrast, only eight members of the U.S. squad play for Major League Soccer, the relatively weak U.S. league with several Canadian teams. Chinese players often go abroad during their youth careers but rarely stay overseas at the senior level.
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The state of football in China is just puzzling. I mean billions of dollars including taxpayer money has been spent on it. The president himself says China has three goals to achieve in football which is unusual for China since the Chinese tend to just do stuff and not declare it beforehand which just tells you how enthusiastic the state was about the sport.
And still the Chinese football team is just in this terrible state.
1.4 billion people, billions of dollars spent, the government itself stated it's interest in the sport and in the end this national team still couldn't find 11 half decent players to qualify for the world cup. Meanwhile You have midget states that no one ever heard of like Curaçao with a population of 150k people who did manage to qualify.
What's even the use of this national team? Just to waste money? If it wont bring results it should be disbanded. Chinese culture is usually super competitive thus bringing you good results. Yet this doesnt seem to be the case for football.
If China can't find 11 half decent players then they should do what Arab countries are doing. 8 arab teams qualified for the world cup. For Iraq 16 out of 26 players are born outside Iraq. For Morocco 19 out of 26 players are born outside Morocco, actually in their match against Brazil which was a 1-1 draw, all 11 active players were born, raised and played outside Morocco.
China should go to Europe, Africa, Latin America, Japan, South Korea, search for decent players of Chinese decent, doesnt even have to be 100% Chinese blood, they could be 50% or 25% Chinese decent, grant them citizenship and have them play for the Chinese national team.
wuguanhui
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The Japanese have NTR, Americans have black white interracial porn, China has national men's football team. It's our humiliation fetish of choice.
Bus driver crashes in France after a heatstroke
it’s evident the US has now turned its attention back to China now that its lost the Iran war and needs to reassert itself… so it decides to instigate war in east Asia. Or rather, the US just wants to start a fire in Chinas backyard since it was humiliated itself so thoroughly in Iran.
Argentina built a new 85 feet / 26 meter statue.
Looks like a waste of money. Especially looking from the rear.
Looks like a waste of money. Especially looking from the rear.
Here's a question for you: why was football invented in England?
Here's a hint: Why are the South American national teams better than their East Asian counterparts, despite the East Asian nations having more money?
Give up?
The sport was invented by English universities, who had large, flat, grass fields just outside of the campus buildings. Planing a couple of posts on either side of a defined space then kicking a ball back and forth became a logical way to have fun. This is the same reason that Rugby was invented in England from English universities: a giant field where you run back and forth with a ball.
In other words, sports are a reflection of the physical environment where they were created, and prosper in similar environments.
- Hockey: A cold sport played in a cold places, and small enough to fit in a cheap building, thus Canada, Russia, and the US.
- Basketball: Played in a highly confined space small enough to fit in easily constructed building. America's best players are all from the urban cities with limited space, and in the Philippines for the same reason.
- American Football: An evolution of Rugby, taking place in a nation with lots of empty flat land in both urban, suburb, and rural spaces. But hasn't spread outside of America as it competes with its precursor Ruby for the same physical space.
- Golf: Invented in Scotland, whose culture romanticizes open and uneven grasslands. Associated with Anglo elites as an expression of land wealth, and popular in the US, Canada, and Ireland who have low population densities.
Meanwhile, South American nations are poor but have lots of empty flat space. Football's singular equipment requirement is the ball. Combined with economic pressures, they dominate regularly at the World Cup, with the best teams and players in history being South American.
Even when you look at the exceptions, the moment you look into the history this explanation still holds.
- India and Cricket: Popularized in the early 1900s when India's population was ~300 million and plentiful empty space.
- Japan and Baseball: Popularized in the 1870s when the population was ~30 million.
If you want China to be a sporting powerhouse, either look for sports that reflect the physical space Chinese people live in. Or, in my humble opinion, develop and promote a domestic sport that is an expression of the Chinese people themselves.
They won’t do anything excessive until 2027. Trump wants to visit China again and the “trade truce” expired by later October or a few days before the Mid Terms. The visit and trade truce renewal may happen at the same time for domestic political reasons. Trump probably wants to personally sign it with Xi to maximize media coverage. Maybe in September or Early October.
I think President Xi is okay with legalizing cuck pron if the Chinese Men’s Team can qualify for World Cup.