2026 Iran War Strategy and Analysis

Serb

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How can there possibly be any guarantee of no future aggression against Iran? The only way I see is ironically to put American bases in central Iran. Not to provide protection but to act as hostages. In the event of another attack, 5000 US soldiers would immediately become POWs. That's enough of a deterrent to stop an attack. Plus it would help Iran to normalise relations with the West, which they've been trying to do for many years.

The only guarantee of that can't and will not come from the US, but from Iran itself.

US officials are behaving like primitive, wild animals that do not understand logic.

That is why these imaginary negotiations Washington keeps talking about are so laughable.

Iran will keep pounding until enough visceral pain is inflicted on Israel and on the US/West economy and society.

That they never again even think of trying something like this. Their officials said so.
 

discspinner

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Trump's best option is to simply leave, terminate hostilities against Iran. The problem is convincing Israel to do the same. Once both stop hostilities, Iran would take a more practical approach to Strait of Hormuz eg setting up a toll for passage of shipping.

This outcome means neither side agrees to the others' demands, and a state of war remains...seriously who believes a ceasefire would last anyhow?

Iran should have some degree of implicit security guarantee from repeat aggression from de facto control of the strait.

Israel is the big loser, because now there is nothing to stop Iran from getting a nuke. I think this is why some analysts are very worried about tactical nukes being used.

'Finishing the job' would be the ultimate grave of empires quagmire for the US, far worse than Afghanistan. Iran can induce such a last resort option by continuing to choke the Strait of Hormuz even if US-Israel stops bombing. Which is why it probably won't take such a hardline stance.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Trump's best option is to simply leave, terminate hostilities against Iran. The problem is convincing Israel to do the same. Once both stop hostilities, Iran would take a more practical approach to Strait of Hormuz eg setting up a toll for passage of shipping.

This outcome means neither side agrees to the others' demands, and a state of war remains...seriously who believes a ceasefire would last anyhow?

Iran should have some degree of implicit security guarantee from repeat aggression from de facto control of the strait.

Israel is the big loser, because now there is nothing to stop Iran from getting a nuke. I think this is why some analysts are very worried about tactical nukes being used.

'Finishing the job' would be the ultimate grave of empires quagmire for the US, far worse than Afghanistan. Iran can induce such a last resort option by continuing to choke the Strait of Hormuz even if US-Israel stops bombing. Which is why it probably won't take such a hardline stance.
How can leaving be the best option when leaving means running away like a coward pretty much. The entire western empire would collapse if that happened. US cannot leave the Middle East and keep its reputation intact. They must die there fighting even if its not beneficial to do so.

US will keep fighting even if this war last 1 year or longer. They will hope that they can exhaust Iran eventually and Iran will seek a ceasefire.

That is better for US strategically than high oil price or economic fallout from the war.
 

another505

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From War news thread


Firstly, they will already have plenty of supplies stashed and hidden all over the islands, and should be bring more across as fast as they could right now. So they should not need to worry about resupply for a little while.

Secondly, it will be very hard and expensive to conduct interdiction operations in the tiny narrow strait between Qeshm and mainland Iran. Any drones and aircraft doing said interdiction will need to fly very close to the Iranian coast, potentially overflying Qeshm itself, which will make them susceptible to ambush attacks by Iranian AA assets.

Thirdly, the strait between Qeshm and the rest of Iran is very narrow, you can probably swim it if you were sufficiently fit, and unlike the English Channel, the waters there are much warmer and calmer, so much more forgiving. Not that it will ever get that desperate for the Iranians, as speed boats and the likes can easily cross that narrow stretch of water in a very short time that the only realistic way to effectively interdict them would require assets already airborne and within strike range to attack as soon as they are detected. Which goes back to point 2 about the costs involved in that.

Finally, if a certain superpower wished it, Iran could immediately find a whole fleet of industrial grade logistics drones at its disposal to both send all the supplies their defenders could ever need in near unstoppable fashion and numbers, as well as undertake casevac of wounded defenders, and if they are suitably brave and desperate, airlifting of reinforcements to the island.

It’s the Americans who will be the ones who will have massive and persistent supply, casevac and reinforcement problems in such a fight.
thank you for some additional insight.

How can there possibly be any guarantee of no future aggression against Iran? The only way I see is ironically to put American bases in central Iran. Not to provide protection but to act as hostages. In the event of another attack, 5000 US soldiers would immediately become POWs. That's enough of a deterrent to stop an attack. Plus it would help Iran to normalise relations with the West, which they've been trying to do for many years.

Besides making US remove their bases from from the region to make the next attack more difficult and easier to see as the assets has to be sailed and flown in instead of already station.
The only realistic thing is PRC gets to build a base in Iran. (IF Iran and PRC wants to)
Neither can EUnuch and Russia can realistically stop Israel and US to attack Iran again.

To me, peace isn't going to happen till both sides bleed heavily for years and finally see reason that it cost too much to continue. Because US will be humiliated to make such concessions without fighting, it will greatly degrad their economy which depended upon the military hegemony. Israel ain't going to listen. Iran cannot survive without any guarantee despite it took the first strike much better this time, it is too painful to let it happen again.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Secondly, it will be very hard and expensive to conduct interdiction operations in the tiny narrow strait between Qeshm and mainland Iran. Any drones and aircraft doing said interdiction will need to fly very close to the Iranian coast, potentially overflying Qeshm itself, which will make them susceptible to ambush attacks by Iranian AA assets.
Iranian AA didn't show itself adept at denying anything.
Ambushes happened when operator doesn't expect hit, not in target area.

I.e. it's quite possible to have armed overwatch of the narrow strait, with DEAD CAP loitering behind. Yes, at current pace, maybe that'll cost a few MALE drones, it's inconsequential. And it's a certain stretch too, because one of the effects of landings will be small drone ops all over the place.

This won't prevent heavy drone logistics, but does Iran actually have those at scale?

This is general problem. Iran made solid preparations in most cases, but continuing disastrous failure of their AD to perform makes any positive assessment of any direct engagement very risky.

Iranian resistance is asymmetric, and without significant external technical help (which still fails to materialize), it's moot.
 
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plawolf

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Iranian AA didn't show itself adept at denying anything.
Ambushes happened when operator doesn't expect hit, not in target area.

I never said Iranian AA would be able to deny airspace from the Americans, but what they can do is extract a high price for American air power to operate in that region.

And Iranian AA can exact a high price because unlike the rest of the war, where they have the problem of having short ranged passive sensors and weapons trying to defend a vast airspace against cunning attackers, in the case of a island assault, the Iranians will know exactly where American tac air needs to come to provide air support for the ground invasion and can pre-position to lay in wait.

I.e. it's quite possible to have armed overwatch of the narrow strait, with DEAD CAP loitering behind. Yes, at current pace, maybe that'll cost a few MALE drones, it's inconsequential. And it's a certain stretch too, because one of the effects of landings will be small drone ops all over the place.

I think you are vastly underestimating the difficulty of achieving DEAD against a totally passive SAM system that is also very small and designed for concealment, especially in the ME climate.

There are interviews where Apache pilots shared first hand accounts of how easy and effectively insurgents have been able to evade modern sensors. An example that really stuck with me was one pilot saying how he watched in amazement at how an insurgent literally disappeared from his thermals by jumping into a pre-prepared shallow depression and pulling a rug over it. Had he not seen the guy jump in, he would never have suspected there was someone hiding there.

Given the size, it’s completely feasible for Iran to basically pull this same trick with their IR loitering SAMs. All that needs to stick out on the surface is the thermal camera turret to scan for targets, which would be camouflaged and have killflash applied to the lenses. Good luck trying to spot that from 30k feet.


This won't prevent heavy drone logistics, but does Iran actually have those at scale?

A certain superpower can give them that ability basically overnight should it wish it.

This is general problem. Iran made solid preparations in most cases, but continuing disastrous failure of their AD to perform makes any positive assessment of any direct engagement very risky.

Iranian AD performance has been unfairly judged against performance they were never intended to deliver.

It now seems clear that Iranian leadership has never had any delusions about its ability to mount a conventional air denial campaign against the Americans. That is why they showed little interest in acquiring high end ‘proper’ SAMs from Russia or China when they had the chance. They judged those systems as too expensive to purchase in sufficient quantities to achieve critical mass needed to effectively defence their vast territories. And piecemeal purchases of such systems would have provided minimal effective defences and most likely just resulted in a huge amount of their budget getting taken out in the opening strikes of the war.

Instead they just focused on making their assets hard to find and hit even when opfor had uncontested control of the skies, and instead focused on doing ambush attacks to try and extract a price for said enemy air superiority.

This isn’t a bug, it’s a feature, as evidenced by Iranian ability to continue to hit targets across the region at scale despite all the American and Israeli bombings.

If Iran’s inability to mount a conventional defence of its skies was indeed as disastrous as you suggest, then they would be hurting far more in terms of degraded ability to hit back.

Iranian resistance is asymmetric, and without significant external technical help (which still fails to materialize), it's moot.

Does it look like the Iranians are loosing this fight?
 

Michael90

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I’m very surprised Iran has performed so poorly in this war to be honest. US/israel almost have undisputed control of Iranian skies . Even Iraq performed far better by shooting down dozens of US/western fighters during the gulf wars . Vietnam shot down thousands of US fighters (granted it was with massive help and even undercover Chinese/soviet advisors/soldiers on the ground ), etc. I expected much more than this from Iran to be honest , especially with all the advertisement they were making about their bavar air defense system and others , saying they were even better than Russian air defense system (S-300) , seem most of their claims were just propaganda
 

Serb

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People call this war with Iran America’s "Suez moment," or assume the American empire will decline the way the British Empire did.

That still gives America far too much credit and misses the reality completely.

Britain decayed slowly in a totally different historical environment.

No internet, no real-time global narrative collapse, no petrodollar dependence, no comparable level of financialized imperial fragility.

It was not nearly this polarized at home, did not have these extreme racial, ethnic, and social fault lines, and was not held together through such a loose federal arrangement.

And above all, Britain was an actual nation-state rooted in its island core from the start.

The US is a relatively recent Frankenstein project, barely 250 years old, stitched together under very different conditions and with much weaker civilizational foundations.

So America losing this war with Iran doesn't just mean the loss of "hegemony", the end of "Pax Americana", or some formal gateway to "multipolarity". That phase is already long behind us.

This is something deeper. It is not a crisis of imperialism anymore. It is a crisis of the survival of the United States itself back at home.






US/israel almost have undisputed control of Iranian skies .

Why don't they do anything meaningful with it yet?
 

Heresy

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I’m very surprised Iran has performed so poorly in this war to be honest. US/israel almost have undisputed control of Iranian skies . Even Iraq performed far better by shooting down dozens of US/western fighters during the gulf wars . Vietnam shot down thousands of US fighters (granted it was with massive help and even undercover Chinese/soviet advisors/soldiers on the ground ), etc. I expected much more than this from Iran to be honest , especially with all the advertisement they were making about their bavar air defense system and others , saying they were even better than Russian air defense system (S-300) , seem most of their claims were just propaganda

Expecting Iran to be able to symmetrically oppose a concentrated air attack by American and Israeli aircraft or even inflict dozens of casualties within a few weeks of combat is about as dumb as expecting Russia to be able to take Ukraine in three days. Calibrate your expectations appropriately. You should know better.
 

discspinner

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How can leaving be the best option when leaving means running away like a coward pretty much. The entire western empire would collapse if that happened. US cannot leave the Middle East and keep its reputation intact. They must die there fighting even if its not beneficial to do so.

US will keep fighting even if this war last 1 year or longer. They will hope that they can exhaust Iran eventually and Iran will seek a ceasefire.

That is better for US strategically than high oil price or economic fallout from the war.

Simply leaving will turn out to the LEAST BAD option Trump has right now, and he should have done it weeks ago. As of today, it is incredibly hard for him to do so anymore. He will of course suffer politically, and Iran will become the big winner to have survived the onslaught and validated it’s deterrence card in controlling the Strait of Hormuz.

US doesn’t have to leave the Middle East. It doesn’t have to meet any of Iran’s demands, and of course the US still has overwhelming military superiority. Israel-US can simply monitor Iran for any hints of uranium enrichment and undertake strikes as necessary.

So stop launching strikes against Iran. Iran most likely will reciprocate. Iran will gradually allow more shipping through the Strait under Iran’s conditions. This will lower global oil prices, which is what Trump wants. This is the rational option for both sides.

Worst case scenario is if Iran stands firm and continues to close the Strait of Hormuz, forcing the US to launch a ground invasion to open up the strait. US doesn’t have to go down this rabbit hole unless it is forced to by Iran.

Iran doesn’t believe the state of Israel should exist. Iran sees the US as an existential threat. There will simply be NO PEACE with the current political regime in place in Iran. However, regime change cannot happen from the air and any significant ground operation would be a ‘graveyard of empires’ quagmire with the geography that Iran possesses.

This is why no prior US president went as far as starting a war with Iran. Because closing the strait of Hormuz was an economic nuke deterrance that even the US military has no solution for.
 
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