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pevade

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Its literally the exact same clown show as before from this Vayu Shakti "Firepower Demonstration" 2024 lmao. The live video was here
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A link to the live telecast

Also below is the list of lol moments from the 2024 one.
I can't believe you made me watch that joke of an "arms demonstration" lmao. (more like drop dumb bombs demonstration)

Alright,

Missed? Griffin LGB at 39:25

I think there was a miss at 39:40

At 43:50 it looks like they rigged it to detonate cause I didn't see and explosions near the vehicle and it detonated before the rockets arrived.

Also at 45:34 WTF was those after explosions that look like they came from underground? Did they manually blow too since the explosions are so different? The initial bomb drops don't kick up a lot of dirt while the second explosion looks like it came from underground (also according to the info they should be dropping normal 1000lbs dumb bombs.)

Bro literally missed literally everything at 47:11 from a freaking helicopter.

Again, miss at 48:22 from a rocket pod salvo, also WTF is that dispersion, I've seen videos of Su-25's lobbing these unguided rockets and they are so much more accurate. Bruz is shooting from like 1-2ks away and missing.

Literally missed everything at 48:50

Missed R-73 at 52:00

Missed dumb bombs at 54:00 Also WTF, they didn't explode?

Completely missed (missile failed) IR guided missile at 1:20:28 . LMAO cut to commercial after it missed.

2x AKASH missiles failed (1 engine failure? other just decided to go to narnia) 2:12:00


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LMAO, they use school buses as an icon for "vehicle convoy". Bruh how low budget is this? I swear it looks like they were using clip art for the illustrations.

Question, is the loitering munition used in 1:18:16 an IAI Harop?

Also WTF is up with that target drone bellowing red smoke from its engine at 1:20:02?

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I cannot believe I actually watched this embarrassing joke of a "Fire Power Demonstration". Literally 99% of it was dumb bombs or unguided missiles. They fired like 9 guided weapons (Hellfire x2 , R-73 x 2 i think, 1x MICA IR missile, 2x AKASH, 1x "Loitering Munition" and 1x SAMAR) of those weapons fired the SAMAR x1 Missed, 1x R-73 Missed, 2x AKASH failed. They also missed a bunch of unguided munitions LMAO. Also several targets clearly were rigged and blown up manually to cover up their incompetence.

Funnily enough, due to their incompetence, it was obvious to tell the difference from an explosion that came from underground (aka rigged to blow) and an actual bomb. Also They keep on not showing moments before the explosion, I suspect they are trying to cover up their misses with those cuts.

Also those commentators fellating themselves when the missiles clearly failed and the copium from the YT comments saying that "it will not hit because it is a simulation". BRUHHHHH.
 

siegecrossbow

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Its literally the exact same clown show as before from this Vayu Shakti "Firepower Demonstration" 2024 lmao. The live video was here
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A link to the live telecast

Also below is the list of lol moments from the 2024 one.
Can you be a bro and make a list of lol moments for this year’s demo? I know that it’s a lot asking you to sit through hours of complete nonsense.
 

pevade

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Can you be a bro and make a list of lol moments for this year’s demo? I know that it’s a lot asking you to sit through hours of complete nonsense.
Only for you seige....


As a side note the cameraman for the live feed and the camera view/scene changers are incredibly incompetent lmao. Blurry shots, cameras positioned incorrectly, poor framing, rushed intro scenes, cuts to the wrong camera, and many more mistakes.

- Dumb bombs launches
- 1:08:56 India makes a more expensive "suicide drone" by making it VTOL capable (you can see the extensions for the 4 electric motors) Also it just slams into the ground? (Commentator says that they were used in Operation Sindoor)
- 1:10:01 Cant see shit what happened here, it just cuts to the explosion of the target.
- 1:11:29 LMAO the SU-30MKI managed to miss a bomb (what model I don't know)
- 1:14:13 WTF is going on here. Commentator says "a barrage of rockets have halted the enemys armored movement" But nothing goes on in the live view. Then it cuts to an IR view of the explosion. (wanna bet its a fake?/pre recorded footage)
- 1:15:45 LCH Prachand fires more rockets, misses most of the targets with the barrage lmao. I think 3-5 missiles (of the 48 lmao) actually came close. Also I think those explosions were faked too. If you go by it frame by frame (in Youtube use the colon and period buttons on the keyboard to do so) you can see that the targets just mysteriously explode despite there being nothing exploding close enough to trigger a detonation.

Just a frame before
prachand_1.png

Then the target explodes by itself lmao
prachand_2.png

- 1:19:32 SU-30MKI fires an R-73 (according to commentator) the missile then proceeds to spin out of control?!? (at 1:19:46) then does a cartwheel and then misses the target drone. The commentator then calls it a "simulated fuse" when we all know the real reason lmao.
- 1:22:10 Rafale shoots down the target drone
- 1:23:40 Jaguars the old relic aircraft (enemy aircraft here) goes against a SU-30MKI (I wonder who would win?). The commentator just says "and the enemy aircraft has been hit" with nothing happening so?
1:26:30 The AKASH AA missile is supposed to fire two missiles in rapid succession (according to the commentator) at a target drone and when times comes it actually hits. (what does this mean for the two missiles that was fired last year and both missed? The jai hind commentators were claiming those were "simulated fuses" lmao) Also they just fire one missile?
1:27:34 SPYDER missile system works as intended
1:32:48 HAWK MK132 (trainer aircraft) actually hits the target (but the explosion is still manually triggered). Significantly more accurate than the rockets fired by the Prachand since a large amount are actually on or close to the target.
1:34:10 MIG-29 drops dumb bombs and they hit much wow...
1:36:00 Mirage 2000 drops more dumb bombs and they hit... much wow.... Curiously the second plane only seems to drop 3 bombs from what I can see. Did one fail to launch?

1:37:40 SU-30MKI drops 4 bombs, much wow....then at one of the frames at 1:37:54 the leftmost bomb just fails to detonate lmao.
Leftmost bomb moments before impact
bomb_fail1.png

Doesn't fucking explode lmao
bomb_fail2.png

Also there appears to be a delayed bomb explosion at 1:38:08 for some reason (bomb fuze failure?)
1:39:35 MI-17 fires rockets and they miss by a country mile, of course the target mysteriously explodes (this one is even more obviously faked)
Apache AH-64 firing Hellfire missiles from 2KM (according to commentator) and they hit the tank targets.

Also...

Bruh, can't even spell correctly
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1:43:37 Mi-17 fires a spike missile and hits a tank target on the left side. Mysteriously a tank explodes on the right side lmao.

1:45: SU-30MKI drops more 100kg dumb bombs and proceeds to carpet bomb the dirt lmao.

Some random uninsteresting bullshit happens after this, I'm not even going to bother

2:38:22 AKASH fires and actually hits and explodes this time.
2:54:49 more fucking incompetence from the event managers, cant see shit and they cut in late so I have no idea what happened. but hey the target explodes itself.
2:56:30 SU 30MKI drops a single? bomb and it hits? the target? The lights on the target goes out so I have no idea. But it looks like the fuze on the bomb fails since it detonates far too deep inside the ground to be effective.
2:57:44 Jaguar drops some more dumb bombs and they appear to hit
2:29:00 SU30MKI drops more dumb bombs.

Literally a dumb bomb fiesta. 2 years have passed and it is still a shitshow.
This was the state of the India's army and airforce at a rehearsed airshow and it was pathetic, imagine them in a real war where enemies can actually shoot back.
 

siegecrossbow

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Only for you seige....


As a side note the cameraman for the live feed and the camera view/scene changers are incredibly incompetent lmao. Blurry shots, cameras positioned incorrectly, poor framing, rushed intro scenes, cuts to the wrong camera, and many more mistakes.

- Dumb bombs launches
- 1:08:56 India makes a more expensive "suicide drone" by making it VTOL capable (you can see the extensions for the 4 electric motors) Also it just slams into the ground? (Commentator says that they were used in Operation Sindoor)
- 1:10:01 Cant see shit what happened here, it just cuts to the explosion of the target.
- 1:11:29 LMAO the SU-30MKI managed to miss a bomb (what model I don't know)
- 1:14:13 WTF is going on here. Commentator says "a barrage of rockets have halted the enemys armored movement" But nothing goes on in the live view. Then it cuts to an IR view of the explosion. (wanna bet its a fake?/pre recorded footage)
- 1:15:45 LCH Prachand fires more rockets, misses most of the targets with the barrage lmao. I think 3-5 missiles (of the 48 lmao) actually came close. Also I think those explosions were faked too. If you go by it frame by frame (in Youtube use the colon and period buttons on the keyboard to do so) you can see that the targets just mysteriously explode despite there being nothing exploding close enough to trigger a detonation.

Just a frame before
View attachment 170380

Then the target explodes by itself lmao
View attachment 170381

- 1:19:32 SU-30MKI fires an R-73 (according to commentator) the missile then proceeds to spin out of control?!? (at 1:19:46) then does a cartwheel and then misses the target drone. The commentator then calls it a "simulated fuse" when we all know the real reason lmao.
- 1:22:10 Rafale shoots down the target drone
- 1:23:40 Jaguars the old relic aircraft (enemy aircraft here) goes against a SU-30MKI (I wonder who would win?). The commentator just says "and the enemy aircraft has been hit" with nothing happening so?
1:26:30 The AKASH AA missile is supposed to fire two missiles in rapid succession (according to the commentator) at a target drone and when times comes it actually hits. (what does this mean for the two missiles that was fired last year and both missed? The jai hind commentators were claiming those were "simulated fuses" lmao) Also they just fire one missile?
1:27:34 SPYDER missile system works as intended
1:32:48 HAWK MK132 (trainer aircraft) actually hits the target (but the explosion is still manually triggered). Significantly more accurate than the rockets fired by the Prachand since a large amount are actually on or close to the target.
1:34:10 MIG-29 drops dumb bombs and they hit much wow...
1:36:00 Mirage 2000 drops more dumb bombs and they hit... much wow.... Curiously the second plane only seems to drop 3 bombs from what I can see. Did one fail to launch?

1:37:40 SU-30MKI drops 4 bombs, much wow....then at one of the frames at 1:37:54 the leftmost bomb just fails to detonate lmao.
Leftmost bomb moments before impact
View attachment 170382

Doesn't fucking explode lmao
View attachment 170383

Also there appears to be a delayed bomb explosion at 1:38:08 for some reason (bomb fuze failure?)
1:39:35 MI-17 fires rockets and they miss by a country mile, of course the target mysteriously explodes (this one is even more obviously faked)
Apache AH-64 firing Hellfire missiles from 2KM (according to commentator) and they hit the tank targets.

Also...

Bruh, can't even spell correctly
View attachment 170384

1:43:37 Mi-17 fires a spike missile and hits a tank target on the left side. Mysteriously a tank explodes on the right side lmao.

1:45: SU-30MKI drops more 100kg dumb bombs and proceeds to carpet bomb the dirt lmao.

Some random uninsteresting bullshit happens after this, I'm not even going to bother

2:38:22 AKASH fires and actually hits and explodes this time.
2:54:49 more fucking incompetence from the event managers, cant see shit and they cut in late so I have no idea what happened. but hey the target explodes itself.
2:56:30 SU 30MKI drops a single? bomb and it hits? the target? The lights on the target goes out so I have no idea. But it looks like the fuze on the bomb fails since it detonates far too deep inside the ground to be effective.
2:57:44 Jaguar drops some more dumb bombs and they appear to hit
2:29:00 SU30MKI drops more dumb bombs.

Literally a dumb bomb fiesta. 2 years have passed and it is still a shitshow.
This was the state of the India's army and airforce at a rehearsed airshow and it was pathetic, imagine them in a real war where enemies can actually shoot back.
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Lethe

Captain
On his point on decoupling the Kaveri from Tejas being a mistake, it is simply wrong. J-20 was also decoupled from the engine program, first flying with AL-31 before switching to WS-10, and now WS-15 (the engine to unlock the full planned potential). The program is a success. Again, it is not short sightedness, rather that India's industry is simply not capable.

In theory, decoupling Kaveri from Tejas should not have been a problem. In practice it was a problem, because it marked the end of serious development effort on Kaveri. Rather than an exhortation to get better, it was an excuse to give up. To this day, India still lacks flying engine testbed and transonic/supersonic wind tunnel facilities. One has sympathy for the common complaint that funds miraculously appear for foreign acquisitions on a scale that is simply unfathomable for domestic development efforts with uncertain returns. China used foreign technology acquisitions to bolster domestic technology pathways. India seems to think it can use foreign acquisitions to substitute for a lack of domestic investment. Predictably, this has not worked and will continue to not work.

The broader underlying failure is that as designed the aircraft had narrow design margins and was always overweight, such that only advanced foreign engines offered any prospect of achieving performance requirements. This was not written in stone. Many fighter aircraft have been designed to operate with engines less advanced and/or performant than F404. The mistake was in failing to match aircraft requirements and design characteristics with a realistic appraisal of what indigenous industry could achieve. This undoubtedly owed in part to the idea that, oh well, if it doesn't work out we will just go with the foreign engine. And so it has come to pass. Really, the entire LCA project should've aimed at a far lower technical baseline than it did.
 
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