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yungho

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mossen said:
Why do you assume Indian govt won't sabotage FCAS? In addition to what France already has, of course. And ask the Russians how good the Indians are at teamwork.

The problem is that the Indians can't bring anything to the table. They have zero technical expertise. They only have money, but with the money comes inflated self-importance. It will be the usual "we want 100% ToT" kvetching.

Europe doesn't have a viable 5th gen aircraft. It's mostly a subsidy to inefficient French, German and British MIC. That's why European countries that need a 5th gen aircraft and actually face serious geopolitical threats (e.g. Poland) choose the F-35.

And now we're supposed to believe Europe, which cannot create a 5th gen jet, is going to leapfrog to 6th gen? With Indians? It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

I guess the only silver lining is that a manned 6th gen jet is unnecessary anyway. Most future combat will be drones, probably <10 years. It makes more sense to just develop better engines, rockets and sensors for drones, but Europe is behind on most of those too. India is a complete no-show. FCAS is not a serious proposition.
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The French won't let them and the IAF is likely desperate enough to comply with what the French want. The French might also eventually want a naval variant, which fits with India's maritime ambitions.
 
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jospence

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yungho said:
The French won't let them and the IAF is likely desperate enough to comply with what the French want. The French might also eventually want a naval variant, which fits with India's maritime ambitions.
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I believe one of the core requirements of the original FCAS was a navalized variant that could take off of French carriers, so I imagine France wanted to do what they have with the Rafale where there is the land variant and marine variant.
 
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defenceman

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Hi,

Macron defends FCAS jet project as Merz and Airbus float two-fighter option,​

now the Qs is as per French president they are already going beyond 2040/50 and with the induction of
India will the time line can drag back, looks like even if it’s get mature between France and India prototype
will be around 2050 or beyond I believe india will be a partner like Indonesia with SK in KF21.
thank you
 
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Ringsword

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Hitomi said:
Why would they consider KAAN at all when it's from a Muslim country, they would never be able to live it down with their pride which matters much more for them than most countries.

KF-21 is more realistic if they don't opt for the SU-57E though the Indonesians might throw a spanner in their procurement and delay the process by protesting with the Koreans.

But then again KF-21 still uses F414 which means Washington D.C might cockblock it again.
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Wouldn't it be the sweetest irony if the Russian Su57 manages to say shoot down a "Ukrainian"F16/Rafale/Gripen in the ongoing war a day after india signs the 40 billion USD contract for the 114 Rafales Get the popcorn -the fur will really fly!!!???
 
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Gloire_bb

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Ringsword said:
Wouldn't it be the sweetest irony if the Russian Su57 manages to say shoot down a "Ukrainian"F16/Rafale/Gripen in the ongoing war a day after india signs the 40 billion USD contract for the 114 Rafales Get the popcorn -the fur will really fly!!!???
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Shoot downs affect faces, but not more. Rafale situation should've shown that.
Ultimately, even if system actually shows itself badly - there are sweeteners, and it's often too late to backtrack. It is rather unlikely Rafale has shown itself really badly in May. IAF fucked up, sure; or maybe politicians did. What Rafale did is it lost its invincibility aura - but frankly speaking, invincibility aura for a 4.5 gen jet in 2025(2015,2005,1995) is but a PR/circumstantional construct.

Furthermore, new operators aren't dumb, they get fullest access to their future system to understand what they're buying.
 
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