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[GZDRefugee]

The idea that China wants ASML's EUV tech is the same as people who thought China wants Nvidia chips, first H20 then Blackwell.
China invested massive amount in domestic EUV lithography, even if the west offers EUV machines China will probably ban them just like they did Nvidia.
China doesn't want to own ASML, China wants to kill ASML.

I don't think China cares about EU-US relationships or EU unity, it would be useful if they weren't, but it's pretty obvious China's strategy does not require EU cooperation.

You misunderstand. I have no expectation of actually getting the EUV lithography tech. The demand itself is the weapon.

1. It strains Dutch-American relations because the Americans coerced the Dutch to seize control over Nexperia in the first place then left them to take the fall.
2. It strains Dutch relations with the European auto giants because they're catching collateral from an unilateral Dutch fuck up.
3. China can crush American, European AND Japanese automakers' testicles by controlling Nexperia China's output and exports under the guise of prioritizing domestic demands.
4. The above gives Chinese EV-makers a massive advantage in capturing market share by virtue of being the only ones who can actually deliver.

The Dutch will never sacrifice ASML but China can make the Dutch bleed, strain NATO & EU, kneecap competitors, while increasing adversary dependence on its greatest weapon: supply chains.

 

[RoastGooseHKer]

I don't think China cares about EU-US relationships or EU unity, it would be useful if they weren't, but it's pretty obvious China's strategy does not require EU cooperation.

The problem for China is that a large number of firms and their respective workforce still rely on the EU and US market.

 

[vincent]

This is short sighted view. We all know there is on going campaign, 1.6 billion USD currently, for decades to demonize China and Chinese.
Unlike Hong Kong, Singapore have always emphasized on preserving our Chinese roots but maintain racial harmony by not being overly pro China. Thats why we have Speak Mandarin campaigns and compulsory Mandarin language lessons in schools.

We should not easily give in to this culture war by the US to sway our young from our Chinese roots.
With the US massive influence in the english media, this will not be easy. Furthermore, presently we still need the US for our national security so our tiny speck of a nation will need to proceed precariously in geopolitics.
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I dated a girl from Singapore in early 2000’s and she can barely speak Chinese.

 

[vincent]

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EU starts anti-subsidy probe into Chinese tyres​

By Reuters
November 6, 202511:28 AM ESTUpdated November 6, 2025


This further confirms that any attempt by Beijing to improve ties with EU is futile at best, stupid at worst. Chinese economists and diplomats (MOFCOM and MOFA) should also reflect on how they become so dependent on US and EU markets that such dependence has been exploited as a leverage in trade war aimed at weakening China geopolitically. Big Nancy crossed China's red line in 2022. Now the EU Parliament just did something somewhat similar. And the trade war continues. Any wet dreams by Chinese policymakers to split the EU from the US appears to be nothing but worst cases of adult naivety. Beijing also appears to not understand whilst President Orange despises the EU, the EU would always align with the US against China regardless of how heavy the economic cost.

Uh Europeans tire makers own a large portion of the Chinese market.

 

[Clango]

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Taiwan vice president makes rare trip to Europe for parliament speech​

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November 7, 20259:16 PM ESTUpdated 1 hour ago

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EU starts anti-subsidy probe into Chinese tyres​

By Reuters
November 6, 202511:28 AM ESTUpdated November 6, 2025


This further confirms that any attempt by Beijing to improve ties with EU is futile at best, stupid at worst. Chinese economists and diplomats (MOFCOM and MOFA) should also reflect on how they become so dependent on US and EU markets that such dependence has been exploited as a leverage in trade war aimed at weakening China geopolitically. Big Nancy crossed China's red line in 2022. Now the EU Parliament just did something somewhat similar. And the trade war continues. Any wet dreams by Chinese policymakers to split the EU from the US appears to be nothing but worst cases of adult naivety. Beijing also appears to not understand whilst President Orange despises the EU, the EU would always align with the US against China regardless of how heavy the economic cost.

Holy shit these people actually have zero self awareness, does it actually take China completely nuking their economy for reality to set in?

 

[manqiangrexue]

You are impressed? I am disappointed by china being a chicken once again. They constantly chicken out against the west. They never stay firm. So the west never fears china and keeps attacking

If China is the chicken, then why does the bird brain reside in your head? The West attacks China because they are goaded by American fear that China is winning the future. They must make moves to change this; China doesn't have to change anything as we just have to maintain course. I personally want to see European auto manufacturing destroyed; I generally dislike Europe. They're not even a big strong country like Russia or the US; they're just a bunch of little rats piled together pretending to be a large animal. But I digress. I can completely understand why China didn't go for the jugular; it never does because China is very strategic and wants to keep all spaces open for maneuvering. Today, it's Nexperia, but throughout the decades, do you know how many Western rodents have offended China? Basically all of them at some time. China strikes back and lets go, because to keep the grudge forever would mean that today, China would have deadlocked conflicts with almost every Western nation and some non-Western nations. China grew as a master of globalization. Could we have done it if we locked jaws at every offense and never let go? I'm angry at the Dutch and I'll never see them the same again, just like Canada after the Meng incident. I still boycott Canadian products, especially seafood. But the CCP cannot afford to be ruled by emotions like I can. They are strategic and I trust every decision they make even if it's not what I like to see.

 

[Clango]

If China is the chicken, then why does the bird brain reside in your head? The West attacks China because they are goaded by American fear that China is winning the future. They must make moves to change this; China doesn't have to change anything as we just have to maintain course. I personally want to see European auto manufacturing destroyed; I generally dislike Europe. They're not even a big strong country like Russia or the US; they're just a bunch of little rats piled together pretending to be a large animal. But I digress. I can completely understand why China didn't go for the jugular; it never does because China is very strategic and wants to keep all spaces open for maneuvering. Today, it's Nexperia, but throughout the decades, do you know how many Western rodents have offended China? Basically all of them at some time. China strikes back and lets go, because to keep the grudge forever would mean that today, China would have deadlocked conflicts with almost every Western nation and some non-Western nations. China grew as a master of globalization. Could we have done it if we locked jaws at every offense and never let go? I'm angry at the Dutch and I'll never see them the same again, just like Canada after the Meng incident. I still boycott Canadian products, especially seafood. But the CCP cannot afford to be ruled by emotions like I can. They are strategic and I trust every decision they make even if it's not what I like to see.

Yeah, thankfully I have this place to vent so I won't talk like a clown when I actually talk to other people lmao, China made it this far I'm sure every concession is backed by a strategic gain.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Yeah, thankfully I have this place to vent so I won't talk like a clown when I actually talk to other people lmao, China made it this far I'm sure every concession is backed by a strategic gain.

It's not even a concession; it's allowing them to get by continuing to buy from us and sending us money. It's allowing a win-win situation to continue rather then shooting someone in the heart and allowing the gun to hit your own face from recoil, because those low end chips are business for China. But it ties into what I always said before. The world is changing to a pro-China situation and it's happening at a scarily fast rate, accelerated by Trump's failed struggling. Remember we started this year with the US trying to destroy China's economy, to realize a few months in that they can't hurt China, and now, a few months later, we have arrived at the West realizing that China could destroy them if it didn't show mercy in the rare earths ban. That's alarmingly fast and a real tough pill to swallow in the time given. The fall of the West needs to be gentle instead of violent and sudden because the latter risks WWIII. I think things are going accordingly; since Trump took office and especially since the last Xi-Trump meeting, the talk of the world, including the US, has been the changing power dynamic and how it's unrealistic for America to pretend to still dominate the world but that it must come to terms with a multipolar world, which is putting it as politely and gently as possible. The actual truth is, it has to get out of the way for a Chinese century that is not guaranteed to end in just one century. These lay the foundation to the house of Western peaceful and gradual acceptance of their declining global role and China's ascending position.

Also, we haven't actually heard from China that they will continue these supplies; the Chinese said has laid out a lot of conditions for a few exemption chips to flow through. What this actually will materialize into is yet to be seen.

 

[iewgnem]

The problem for China is that a large number of firms and their respective workforce still rely on the EU and US market.

Trump was just taught a lesson in how much China actually relies on the US market.
If Europe want a separate lesson they just need to ask.

China can kill the entire western auto industry by just banning export from one company's factory.
The entire European industrial world is currently living off one Chinese RE permit at a time.
The problem for the west is their entire economy is literally existentially reliant on China, while China can cut them off, i.e. RE and Nexperia, with practically no loss

It's funny that Europeans like to think they're smarter than Trump, when even Trump was able to come to understand America's position relative to China, while Europeans without a fraction of America's economy still think they're relevant.

 

[Randomuser]

If China is the chicken, then why does the bird brain reside in your head? The West attacks China because they are goaded by American fear that China is winning the future. They must make moves to change this; China doesn't have to change anything as we just have to maintain course. I personally want to see European auto manufacturing destroyed; I generally dislike Europe. They're not even a big strong country like Russia or the US; they're just a bunch of little rats piled together pretending to be a large animal. But I digress. I can completely understand why China didn't go for the jugular; it never does because China is very strategic and wants to keep all spaces open for maneuvering. Today, it's Nexperia, but throughout the decades, do you know how many Western rodents have offended China? Basically all of them at some time. China strikes back and lets go, because to keep the grudge forever would mean that today, China would have deadlocked conflicts with almost every Western nation and some non-Western nations. China grew as a master of globalization. Could we have done it if we locked jaws at every offense and never let go? I'm angry at the Dutch and I'll never see them the same again, just like Canada after the Meng incident. I still boycott Canadian products, especially seafood. But the CCP cannot afford to be ruled by emotions like I can. They are strategic and I trust every decision they make even if it's not what I like to see.

A cornered wolf/dog/whatever will always fight to the death when it sees no way out. This makes things a lot harder than giving them a path out. If I recall, this strategy has been used many times to cause huge routs on what otherwise would be harden defenders. Basically some guys say there's an opening to escape and the would-be hardened defenders instead all step over each to rush for the exit leading to a collapse of the position. Sure a bunch of them would have escaped but chances are your objective is to take that fort/land/whatever rather than kill everyone in it. And besides at least in the older days, the price for running away is death for a lot of troops so they won't be too keen to get revenge.

When you think about it. Trump declaring a truce for a while should be unthinkable. Yet coz China doesn't say anything or go yeah yeah yeah whatever, Trump doesn't feel too embarrassed pulling out. His own people don't matter as much coz he has a PR team to cover up for him. All this buys China more time to sharpen its blade when the stakes are truly do or die.

People keep trivializing China and face. But it turns out most countries are just as guilty of being afraid to "look bad". China is just honest about it which is why it can use it against others.